Tom Gets Snipd, Siri Lawsuit Settlement, and More Bruises on Apple

Intro

Jeff Battersby (0s)

Feels like a vig, you know what I'm saying, a vig.

Tom Anderson (3s)

A what?

Tom Anderson (9s)

Hello, everyone, and welcome to another episode of Basic AF, a mostly tech podcast.

Tom Anderson (13s)

I'm Tom Anderson and joined by my co-host and good buddy, Jeff Battersby.

Tom Anderson (18s)

Good morning, Jeff.

Jeff Battersby (18s)

Good buddy!

Jeff Battersby (20s)

Breaker, breaker!

Tom Anderson (20s)

Good buddy.

Tom Anderson (21s)

And for good buddy.

Jeff Battersby (24s)

Good morning, Tom Anderson, how are you?

Tom Anderson (26s)

I'm doing very well, sir.

Tom Anderson (28s)

How about yourself?

Jeff Battersby (29s)

I'm a little pissed at you for not playing the music at the top of the show that I can hear so I can dance a little bit and get the blood flowing.

Tom Anderson (35s)

I forgot again, so well, well you get exactly what you pay for with me, so nothing, right?

Jeff Battersby (40s)

You rip me off, dude.

Jeff Battersby (42s)

You're getting into a habit of us having guests and not having me to play that.

Jeff Battersby (49s)

Yeah, that's exactly right.

Jeff Battersby (53s)

Seems like less and less each time.

Jeff Battersby (56s)

More air in the bag than chips.

Tom Anderson (1m)

Shrinkflation bro, times are getting lean.

Tom Anderson (1m 3s)

All right.

Tom Anderson (1m 5s)

So this is episode 61, believe it or not.

Jeff Battersby (1m 8s)

Dang.

Tom Anderson (1m 8s)

So show notes can be found at basicafshow.com/61.

Jeff Battersby (1m 13s)

Nice.

Jeff Battersby (1m 14s)

And just as a reminder, you can get to us at feedback@basicafshow.com, we'd like you to do that.

Jeff Battersby (1m 21s)

We do get emails from time to time.

Jeff Battersby (1m 23s)

We're grateful for those.

Jeff Battersby (1m 24s)

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Jeff Battersby (1m 30s)

Uh, there's a way to, if you look at the show notes, you can get to us that way as well.

Jeff Battersby (1m 34s)

And since we're doing all this stuff at the top of the show, might as well remind you that our show music that Tom didn't play for me, uh, is, uh,

Jeff Battersby (1m 42s)

Psychokinetics in Celsius seven, always grateful to them for letting us use that.

Jeff Battersby (1m 48s)

tune that jives with our vibe and then, uh, Randall Martin design for the show artwork, uh, 99.5% of the time or something like that, except for when Tom throws out stuff like last week's, uh, or last episodes, uh, artwork, which was pretty clever, I thought.

Jeff Battersby (2m 8s)

So anyway, go get you some Psychokinetics and Randall Martin design while you can.

Tom Anderson (2m 14s)

I highly recommend that you do that.

Tom Anderson (2m 15s)

So before we jump in to our topics today,

Jeff Battersby (2m 16s)

Yes.

Tom Anderson (2m 18s)

which we have a few,

Jeff Battersby (2m 19s)

Okay.

Joe Moyer’s Journaling Challenge

Tom Anderson (2m 20s)

want to make a quick plug for Joe Moyer.

Jeff Battersby (2m 22s)

I have regrets.

Jeff Battersby (2m 23s)

I have a few.

Tom Anderson (2m 27s)

So Joe's a friend of ours.

Tom Anderson (2m 28s)

He's been on the show a couple of times.

Tom Anderson (2m 30s)

So far he is on threads as the journaling guide,

Tom Anderson (2m 34s)

and he has just kicked off the journaling challenge,

Tom Anderson (2m 37s)

the 10-day journaling challenge.

Tom Anderson (2m 39s)

And I signed up for it.

Tom Anderson (2m 41s)

Of course, he's a big proponent of journaling,

Tom Anderson (2m 44s)

with all the benefits that come along with that.

Tom Anderson (2m 47s)

And you can sign up for that at 24letters.net,

Tom Anderson (2m 51s)

24letters.net.

Tom Anderson (2m 53s)

Each day you get a very simple prompt to give you something to think about for the day.

Tom Anderson (2m 59s)

Journal it in however you see fit.

Tom Anderson (3m 1s)

Could be a simple little note on a sticky pad.

Tom Anderson (3m 4s)

Write it down, type it out.

Tom Anderson (3m 6s)

Even if you just think about it,

Tom Anderson (3m 7s)

I was telling Jeff before we started recording,

Tom Anderson (3m 9s)

he sent, I signed up for it.

Tom Anderson (3m 11s)

And on the third day,

Tom Anderson (3m 15s)

I'll tell you, I won't do any spoilers,

Jeff Battersby (3m 16s)

Yeah.

Tom Anderson (3m 16s)

but he sent one on the third day that was very relevant to what was going on that day and for me at work.

Tom Anderson (3m 21s)

And so I sent him a screenshot of it.

Tom Anderson (3m 24s)

And I was like, yeah,

Tom Anderson (3m 24s)

you're listening in to my work conversations, Joe.

Tom Anderson (3m 27s)

Maybe I started a FaceTime, he didn't know it.

Jeff Battersby (3m 29s)

I will say one thing that's smart about this too is it's 10 days, it's not 30 days, it's not 90 days, it's a, it's, well it could be overwhelming so 10's a nice round number.

Jeff Battersby (3m 44s)

You'll make it 10 days, Tom, I think you'll be able to do this.

Tom Anderson (3m 47s)

I will. Well, I love the simplicity of it. So if you've, you know, when he was on, we had that journaling discussion and still that's our largest, most popular show. Yeah. Biggest numbers on downloads for that show. So if you haven't listened to that, go check that one out.

Jeff Battersby (3m 57s)

Most popular app. Yeah. Yeah

Tom Anderson (4m 3s)

But again, it's 24 letters, 24letters.net. So check that out. Okay. So to kick things off.

Jeff Battersby (4m 8s)

Cool good idea

Snipd AI Podcast App First Impressions

Tom Anderson (4m 12s)

So last week, or not last week, but last episode, so a couple of weeks ago as we record this,

Tom Anderson (4m 17s)

on May 10th, we dug into our subscriptions and the number of them that we have, the types that we have, and discussed getting rid of some of them, which I have done, to the tune of about $50 a month. Yeah, not too bad. And I believe I mentioned it, yeah, yeah, so nothing. And I think I mentioned it briefly that I was looking at a new...

Jeff Battersby (4m 21s)

Mmm-hmm. Mmm-hmm. Oh, that's pretty good. Nice round $600.

Tom Anderson (4m 47s)

podcast app, Snipped. So, I've had that now for a few more weeks.

Jeff Battersby (4m 51s)

Wait wait didn't that didn't didn't I have that when I had my vasectomy sorry top sorry move on you won't forget the app will you

Tom Anderson (4m 55s)

Oh, for Christ's sake.

Tom Anderson (5m 1s)

I had a comment, but I'm just not even. Not even. Move on. So, anyway, something I'd like to

Tom Anderson (5m 17s)

but not yet. So, dear listener, five minutes in, we apologize.

Jeff Battersby (5m 21s)

sorry sorry I've gone off the rails I've ruined you for the rest of the podcast that's great that's my job go okay I'm sorry I just couldn't help myself

Tom Anderson (5m 28s)

So, yeah.

Tom Anderson (5m 34s)

Thanks. Appreciate that. Because, well, we're always 12 in our chats back and forth, so it's real hard to behave ourselves on this.

Jeff Battersby (5m 41s)

yeah okay let's talk about this fine app

Tom Anderson (5m 47s)

Let's talk about it, shall we? So, I mentioned it to you this week. You downloaded it as well,

Jeff Battersby (5m 51s)

yes you did I did

Tom Anderson (5m 52s)

so you can fool around with it a little bit. So, why don't we start with, what were your first impressions?

Jeff Battersby (5m 59s)

Okay, you want my first first impression? $85 bucks for a year of this.

Jeff Battersby (6m 7s)

It's surprising. That's a pretty big number. I have not had the opportunity to play with the app much more than two days and I have listened to several podcasts over those couple of days.

Tom Anderson (6m 18s)

Okay. Which is a fair assessment. It's seven bucks a month if you pay it annually, or $11.99 a month

Jeff Battersby (6m 30s)

So, which makes me curious, you did subscribe at that, you know, nearly $100 mark.

Jeff Battersby (6m 40s)

And I'm curious, and I'll feed back to you in a few seconds because my time with this app has not been as long as yours, but what compelled you to spend 85 bucks?

Tom Anderson (6m 53s)

OK, so this is the third time that I have gone back to this app.

Tom Anderson (6m 57s)

And third time, so I did the trial, I did the trial, canceled both of those times.

Tom Anderson (7m 3s)

And so I went back to this one more time because when I don't know, a month or so ago,

Tom Anderson (7m 14s)

craft, which is my writing/notetaking/PKMS system of choice, personal knowledge.

Tom Anderson (7m 23s)

If you're unfamiliar with that.

Tom Anderson (7m 24s)

If you're not a nerd like me and you're like, "What the hell is PKMS?"

Tom Anderson (7m 29s)

They did an integration with Readwise.

Tom Anderson (7m 32s)

OK, so Readwise is the service that goes along with your book reading.

Tom Anderson (7m 36s)

So if you read on Kindle or Apple Books or use their reader app and mark up PDFs or send tweet threads or any pretty much, you know, lots of different content.

Tom Anderson (7m 47s)

As you make those highlights in your reading app, it syncs with Readwise.

Tom Anderson (7m 51s)

And then you.

Tom Anderson (7m 53s)

Can go into read wise and review the highlights, but they do, um, a spaced repetition, uh, feature for that with their daily reviews.

Tom Anderson (8m 1s)

And so they'll send you an email each morning with a number of highlights from your books.

Tom Anderson (8m 8s)

So that, you know, a lot of times you'll read a book, you'll be like, Hmm, that was good, interesting concepts in there.

Tom Anderson (8m 14s)

And then two months later, you're like, I can't remember anything from that book.

Tom Anderson (8m 18s)

Uh, and so what this does is it helps with.

Tom Anderson (8m 23s)

Reinforcing those highlights that you've taken from the book.

Jeff Battersby (8m 25s)

Okay, cool.

Tom Anderson (8m 26s)

Okay.

Jeff Battersby (8m 26s)

Readwise does.

Tom Anderson (8m 27s)

Readwise does.

Tom Anderson (8m 28s)

Yeah.

Jeff Battersby (8m 28s)

Yes.

Tom Anderson (8m 29s)

Separate subscription.

Tom Anderson (8m 31s)

Um, and so I saw craft.

Tom Anderson (8m 33s)

They did that.

Tom Anderson (8m 34s)

So I looked into that a little bit, but then when I was looking at the readwise site, I saw that they had an integration with this application, um, snipped.

Tom Anderson (8m 43s)

And so as we start to talk about the features, it'll make more senses to why,

Tom Anderson (8m 47s)

but that's a big part of it, and we'll unpack all that in the next.

Jeff Battersby (8m 50s)

Okay. So the idea behind this app from what I could see, and again, my time with it, you didn't tell me you wanted to talk about this until I think Wednesday. Right, we're super weeks ahead on everything that we do here. That's why you get the best show possible. So I downloaded it. And I listened to a couple podcasts. So I put on a couple episodes of through

Tom Anderson (9m 3s)

Because we plan at the last minute.

Jeff Battersby (9m 20s)

line, which is an NPR podcast that I really like that happens to be very information rich, which I think is one of the benefits of this of this particular app. And the other one I did was seen on radio s e n e on radio, which is another one that is kind of history heavy, for example, is seen on radio some of their seasons, and they typically do one season of

Jeff Battersby (9m 50s)

10 episodes a year. In some cases, some of those seasons I have listened to and relisten to four or five times, it's like college class, you know, it's it's that dense in information dense. So I listened to a couple of those episodes. And what this app does, from my perspective, having only spent a few minutes with it, is it listens along with you. And this is one aspect It listens along with you and when

Jeff Battersby (10m 20s)

it hears information that it believes is pertinent to what it is that you're looking for and you kind of do a little when you when you initially set it up you do a little survey to say what are the kinds of things that you're listening to why do you want to use this and what kind of information you want to collect it will as the name implies snip little bits of information collect that information and kind of summarize it using AI and then you can go back to it and tap those segments.

Jeff Battersby (10m 50s)

after reading the little brief piece that it snipped out.

Jeff Battersby (10m 56s)

And it will take you right to that section of the podcast so you can hear what it is that you've taken notes on.

Jeff Battersby (11m 2s)

So essentially, this is taking notes on what it is that you're listening to.

Jeff Battersby (11m 11s)

So that is the benefit.

Jeff Battersby (11m 15s)

I'm curious to know what it is

Jeff Battersby (11m 20s)

about that particular feature, 'cause I have thoughts.

Jeff Battersby (11m 23s)

What it is about that particular feature that makes it valuable to you?

Jeff Battersby (11m 28s)

What are you getting out of this?

Jeff Battersby (11m 29s)

And I think I'm most curious to know how much you're reusing or you're going back through those snippets that it's taken of the podcast and listening to those sections or reviewing whatever the text is.

Jeff Battersby (11m 49s)

By the way, you can create your own.

Jeff Battersby (11m 50s)

Snips as well.

Jeff Battersby (11m 51s)

That was one of the things I wanted to add.

Jeff Battersby (11m 52s)

You have the ability while you're listening to a podcast to tap a Snips button, and this is whether or not you're driving in your car because it has a CarPlay interface that you can tap, or you've got the, you know, your phone in your pocket.

Jeff Battersby (12m 4s)

I haven't looked to see if there's a watch app or not.

Tom Anderson (12m 6s)

There is yeah, there's haven't used a lot, but I saw it on there for what?

Jeff Battersby (12m 7s)

Okay.

Jeff Battersby (12m 8s)

Yeah, I haven't.

Jeff Battersby (12m 11s)

So I I'm curious to know what the upside is for you.

Jeff Battersby (12m 14s)

Um, like I said, I usually go back and listen to podcasts again.

Jeff Battersby (12m 17s)

I'm not usually writing notes or taking notes in that way.

Jeff Battersby (12m 20s)

Um, but what, what is, what is the benefit you see and how are you using,

Jeff Battersby (12m 27s)

uh, the tens of millions of notes?

Jeff Battersby (12m 31s)

You don't listen to as many podcasts as I do.

Jeff Battersby (12m 33s)

Um, I listen to podcasts.

Tom Anderson (12m 35s)

And that's going to come up into what I'm getting from this too.

Jeff Battersby (12m 37s)

Okay, great.

Jeff Battersby (12m 38s)

All right.

Jeff Battersby (12m 39s)

All right.

Jeff Battersby (12m 39s)

I'm going to shut up.

Jeff Battersby (12m 43s)

There's a silence.

Jeff Battersby (12m 44s)

Wow.

Jeff Battersby (12m 44s)

There was a, an eighth of a second of silence in the podcast.

Tom Anderson (12m 47s)

Okay, so let's go back to that. You talked there a few minutes ago. So it will do the SNP. So

Tom Anderson (12m 56s)

when you go into the app and you look at your podcast, you can import your podcast from another app. So if you're using podcast or pocketcast, which is what I was using.

Tom Anderson (13m 6s)

You can just export the list out. So PML imported right in snips.

Tom Anderson (13m 10s)

Your podcasts are all there and it will show you when you look at the episode list.

Tom Anderson (13m 15s)

If there are already snips made from other listeners in the community,

Tom Anderson (13m 19s)

it'll show you how many have been made. You can look at those if you want to.

Tom Anderson (13m 22s)

You don't have to necessarily even listen to the episode.

Tom Anderson (13m 26s)

You can browse the snips there and maybe see if you want to listen to it or not.

Tom Anderson (13m 30s)

And then, as you mentioned, you can create your own snips.

Tom Anderson (13m 33s)

your own snips and so.

Tom Anderson (13m 35s)

The shows that I listened to,

Tom Anderson (13m 36s)

that there are typically little tidbits in there on,

Tom Anderson (13m 41s)

it's either business stuff or productivity stuff or health and fitness stuff that I like.

Tom Anderson (13m 49s)

Oh yeah, I should go back and look at that later and follow up on that and dig into that a little more.

Tom Anderson (13m 54s)

And it's either, I forget because that's 8.30 in the morning and I'm driving to work and then work happens and yeah, I don't know what I was doing at 8.30 in the morning driving to work.

Tom Anderson (14m 5s)

And or sometimes I'll set a reminder in,

Tom Anderson (14m 10s)

you know, with Siri, with CarPlay and just say,

Tom Anderson (14m 12s)

hey, remind me to look at such and such,

Tom Anderson (14m 14s)

which puts it in the reminders list where it often just hangs out there and never gets anything done with it.

Tom Anderson (14m 21s)

It just kind of sits there.

Tom Anderson (14m 22s)

So that's kind of the first thing is, you know,

Tom Anderson (14m 26s)

driving to work, I hear something like I was listening to Chris Williamson episode of Modern Wisdom the other day that he did with Dave Ramsey and it was like,

Tom Anderson (14m 33s)

Oh, that was good.

Tom Anderson (14m 35s)

Hit that, hit that, hit that.

Tom Anderson (14m 36s)

So I've got 32 snips from that show.

Tom Anderson (14m 38s)

Um, and you can in the app and I don't, like I said, I've only had this for about a month.

Tom Anderson (14m 45s)

Uh, I don't think I will do this too often, but you can go into the show in the app.

Tom Anderson (14m 52s)

And when you look at the, like, it'll show you the transcript.

Tom Anderson (14m 57s)

It will give you quotes, but also there is a messages button right there that you can tap.

Tom Anderson (15m 3s)

And when you do that, you can chat with the apps.

Tom Anderson (15m 5s)

"Hey, somewhere in this episode, Chris said X, Y, Z.

Tom Anderson (15m 9s)

Remind me what he was talking about."

Tom Anderson (15m 11s)

And it'll search and show you that.

Tom Anderson (15m 15s)

So that's all good.

Tom Anderson (15m 16s)

I like that it flags the book.

Tom Anderson (15m 17s)

So if anybody is talking about a particular book in the episode, because "Focused"

Tom Anderson (15m 24s)

with David Sparks and Mike Schmidt is another episode that, or another show that I listened to.

Tom Anderson (15m 30s)

And they're oftentimes referred to books.

Tom Anderson (15m 33s)

And so it's nice that they just kind of show up.

Tom Anderson (15m 35s)

And of course, a lot of times they put them in the show notes as well.

Tom Anderson (15m 37s)

But so, you know, that a lot of convenience there for those types of things.

Tom Anderson (15m 43s)

But I think where the real benefit is going to come from is in the ReadWise integration.

Tom Anderson (15m 52s)

So all of those snips will end up in ReadWise.

Tom Anderson (15m 56s)

And so over in ReadWise, then I can go in, review them there,

Tom Anderson (16m)

discard the ones that I think, well, it seemed interesting at the time.

Tom Anderson (16m 3s)

Now I don't care about it.

Tom Anderson (16m 5s)

I can do the reviews with ReadWise.

Tom Anderson (16m 11s)

And so they've got themed reviews.

Tom Anderson (16m 13s)

So if I tag this stuff, I can say, you know, maybe I just want a review on AI topics,

Tom Anderson (16m 18s)

or maybe I just want to review on productivity stuff or health, whatever it is.

Tom Anderson (16m 23s)

And I can assign them to that.

Tom Anderson (16m 25s)

But what it's also doing as it goes into ReadWise, it continues to build this collection of highlights.

Tom Anderson (16m 33s)

And so you end up with.

Tom Anderson (16m 36s)

And so if you go over to read wise and you go to chat, you can ask questions and it will return information from your highlights. So if I'm going back to maybe write about something in the newsletter, I can say, you know, you know, when did Apple first release Apple intelligence and what kind of information do they have?

Tom Anderson (16m 54s)

And so I can ask questions and it will return information from your highlights. So if I'm going back to maybe write about something in the newsletter, I can say, you know, when did Apple first release Apple intelligence and what kind of information do they have?

Tom Anderson (17m 5s)

And so if I'm going back to maybe write about something in the newsletter, I can say, you know, when did Apple first release Apple intelligence and what kind of information do they have?

Tom Anderson (17m 17s)

And so if I'm going back to maybe write about something in the newsletter, I can say, you know, when did Apple first release Apple intelligence and what kind of information do they have?

Tom Anderson (17m 27s)

And so if I'm going back to maybe write about something in the newsletter, I can say, you know, when did Apple first release Apple intelligence and what kind of information do they have?

Jeff Battersby (17m 33s)

Okay, interesting, so you it sounds like the biggest benefit you're getting from this is the fact that it's pulling it into an app that You use to review Whatever content you're already working on which is readwise

Jeff Battersby (17m 47s)

And I can see I can definitely see the benefit of that for giggles remind me. How much is a readwise subscription?

Tom Anderson (17m 54s)

Let me look, hold on a second, I believe it is, survey says, all right, yeah, here we go.

Jeff Battersby (17m 58s)

Okay, yeah, let's do that while we're on the radio

Tom Anderson (18m 4s)

Pricing, Readwise Lite is $5.59 a month, the full Readwise is $9.99.

Jeff Battersby (18m 18s)

plus the 85 or so bucks a year.

Jeff Battersby (18m 21s)

So you're talking $200 a month.

Jeff Battersby (18m 23s)

Are you getting that kind of benefit out of this?

Tom Anderson (18m 25s)

I'm a month in, so I can't say yet.

Jeff Battersby (18m 27s)

Oh, Tom, come on, man.

Tom Anderson (18m 29s)

But something, something I suspect, yes, because here's, here's something that I'm experimenting with.

Tom Anderson (18m 36s)

So, you know, we've talked before, uh, you know, I can't listen to the number of podcasts that I used to because I just, I'd listen in the car and my commute is short.

Tom Anderson (18m 45s)

And before I had three hours a day of, you know, round trip commute, right.

Jeff Battersby (18m 49s)

Yeah, right, right. Yes, you.

Tom Anderson (18m 50s)

Hour and a half to work, hour and a half back, you can listen to a lot of podcasts in a week.

Tom Anderson (18m 56s)

What I have been experimenting with is the shows that I want to listen to.

Tom Anderson (19m)

I put into the queue in snipped and then I let it run overnight on my iPad and then it is auto snipping the show.

Jeff Battersby (19m 7s)

Oh, interesting. So you're not really listening to these shows. Don't tell anybody listen to Basic AF that they can do this. You're not really listening to the show. You're actually using the app to extract pertinent information from the show and maybe going back and listening to those snips. Okay.

Tom Anderson (19m 11s)

So, so.

Tom Anderson (19m 28s)

right. Right. So just the other day I ran four and a half hours of shows while I was asleep and it just, you know, snips them, dumps them into Readwise. And then, so this is where I haven't yet got a good solid product process to go like, okay, so here's my Sunday review in Readwise to trim the fat, right? The stuff that I don't really care about.

Tom Anderson (19m 53s)

But so I'm using it kind of like an assistant to say, go listen to these shows, take down

Tom Anderson (19m 58s)

anything you think is important and then I'll skim it. And if I want to go back to it, I'll go back to it because otherwise I'm never going to be able to listen to it.

Jeff Battersby (20m 5s)

Yeah, I got you. That makes that makes sense and and as you know I listen to podcasts when I'm doing any and everything if I'm cooking I'm listening to a podcast if I'm mowing the lawn, which, by the way, I walk three miles plus when I mow my lawn.

Tom Anderson (20m 21s)

That's that's what I'll listen to.

Jeff Battersby (20m 22s)

I'm listening to a podcast. Yeah, so I'm doing that driving to and from the work for me is now a

Tom Anderson (20m 23s)

Yeah, just mowing the grass.

Jeff Battersby (20m 31s)

you know, basically a walk, which I can't, haven't had time to

Jeff Battersby (20m 36s)

but that will be, you know, 15, 20 minute walk to work.

Jeff Battersby (20m 40s)

But right now driving it's three minutes if if that, to go to work. So, but my podcast listening

Jeff Battersby (20m 50s)

different than yours in that way.

Jeff Battersby (20m 57s)

I guess the thing that's curious to me, so when I listen to stuff, like I said, I really listened to the scene on radio,

Jeff Battersby (21m 5s)

because they're so information dense.

Jeff Battersby (21m 10s)

And I ran one of those through I listened to, I listened to the podcast

Jeff Battersby (21m 16s)

through using snipped with one of those. And now I want to go back and review that which I did not again have time to do before

Jeff Battersby (21m 23s)

we, you know, got on on here, but I'd be curious to see

Jeff Battersby (21m 27s)

compared to what I heard in those podcasts. And that's by the way, when you're listening to the podcast, if it does, and

Jeff Battersby (21m 35s)

or is it snipping something automatically, or maybe this is something somebody else's snipped, but it gives you a little tone to say, hey, we copied this, you know, we've got a little snip right here for you.

Tom Anderson (21m 44s)

Yeah, I think it does both because I've run some stuff through that didn't have any existing snips and it does. But I think if it's a more popular show that other people are,

Tom Anderson (21m 54s)

it will reference kind of say, oh, this is a popular one that other users have done.

Tom Anderson (21m 58s)

Go ahead and tag that.

Jeff Battersby (22m)

So what what I'm curious to see and I will continue using my free I already unsubscribed for this So I don't spend

Tom Anderson (22m 7s)

Good, good.

Jeff Battersby (22m 9s)

85 bucks like I did my

Jeff Battersby (22m 12s)

$250 economist subscription

Jeff Battersby (22m 15s)

the

Jeff Battersby (22m 18s)

Hilarious

Jeff Battersby (22m 20s)

What I want to do is I want to go back and see if

Jeff Battersby (22m 24s)

The things that snipped found were significant from the podcast

Jeff Battersby (22m 30s)

On its own without me snipping something

Jeff Battersby (22m 35s)

Matched or were significantly different from or

Jeff Battersby (22m 40s)

Better or worse than what it is that I recall directly from the podcast

Jeff Battersby (22m 48s)

You know the thing about an algorithm

Jeff Battersby (22m 51s)

Listening to things for you is you know, however, that algorithms been trained is gonna determine what it finds significant You know as opposed to what you make

Jeff Battersby (23m)

you find has some synchronicity with yourself for what it is that you've been thinking about you know which is my own internal algorithm. So anyway I'm curious to see that but again haven't had the chance to do that. Have you done anything like that where you've gone back you're not I mean you're feeding it through this you're getting whatever whatever snipped is giving you have there been any podcasts that you've listened to actively and then gone back to review the notes, and if so, what are they?

Jeff Battersby (23m 30s)

What's it telling you like is it matching what you what you're listening what your your thoughts were while you were

Tom Anderson (23m 32s)

"Yeah, I did. Yeah, and I had that exact same question. Because going into it, I was like,

Tom Anderson (23m 42s)

"Okay, here's what I think I can do with it, which is to queue up the list of shows and let it run through those and process them. And will it give me good enough information,

Tom Anderson (23m 51s)

one to be some of it be beneficial as it is, but also enough to maybe say, "Wow, that seems really good. I'm definitely going to go back and actually listen to that. And I'll listen of that the next time I mow the lawn.

Tom Anderson (24m 3s)

Um, and so, uh, we took a trip up to Pennsylvania a few weeks ago, right before I signed up and I listened to a couple of, uh, episodes of different podcasts, Count Newport's was one.

Tom Anderson (24m 14s)

And I actually, you know, we listened to it in the car.

Jeff Battersby (24m 16s)

He made your kids listen to it. That's great. What a great dad you are.

Tom Anderson (24m 16s)

And so when we got home, yeah, I don't care.

Tom Anderson (24m 20s)

He's got his AirPods and he doesn't care.

Tom Anderson (24m 25s)

No worse than what they call it.

Tom Anderson (24m 26s)

The kids call it the old people.

Tom Anderson (24m 28s)

Yacht rock, dad rock, whatever they call it these days.

Tom Anderson (24m 32s)

They've started to say, some of that stuff's pretty good.

Tom Anderson (24m 35s)

Dad listens to, I've started to listen to it now.

Tom Anderson (24m 38s)

I'm like, yeah, how about that?

Tom Anderson (24m 39s)

Not that old.

Tom Anderson (24m 40s)

Well, I am, but, but so I did that to compare and I, you know, I didn't do any snips of the show while we were listening to it and I was like, I'm just going to let it play and see what it grabs.

Tom Anderson (24m 52s)

And, and it did well enough that that convinced me to say, okay, well,

Tom Anderson (24m 57s)

let's go ahead and try this out.

Tom Anderson (24m 59s)

So I'm going to try for a year.

Tom Anderson (25m 2s)

Uh, and, and see how it goes.

Tom Anderson (25m 4s)

And then if I don't stick with it for some reason, or I just find it's not being beneficial.

Tom Anderson (25m 9s)

Um, but it, it's kind of like a time shifting experiment where I can't listen to 10 hours of podcasts a week.

Tom Anderson (25m 16s)

But if I can spend 20, 30 minutes with read wise or something on a Sunday morning and get the benefit and then maybe go back and find a couple of gems that I do want to listen to.

Tom Anderson (25m 26s)

Uh, take, take that approach.

Jeff Battersby (25m 28s)

All right, I like that. That's a that's pretty slick idea. So I think as is the case for me with forever notes, maybe

Jeff Battersby (25m 35s)

Another month or so we can revisit during an episode

Jeff Battersby (25m 40s)

Both you with snipped and me with forever notes, which I am continuing to use and use in different ways

Jeff Battersby (25m 49s)

Yeah, it's it's turned out to be a really

Jeff Battersby (25m 53s)

Great feature for me

Tom Anderson (25m 55s)

Right, maybe we can have Bill McLean come back on because he and I've been emailing back and forth.

Tom Anderson (26m 1s)

He did a video on YouTube for snipped just as I think it was snipped or was it read wise may have been both. Just as I was going back for the third look at it and he subscribed as well. So maybe we can share notes. See how that goes. So I think he was kind of looking at it for the same types of things. Maybe not the queuing up, but definitely with some of the retention of the...

Jeff Battersby (26m 15s)

Okay, cool, yeah, I'd like to have that conversation.

Tom Anderson (26m 25s)

things that he's listening to. So, it could be good.

Jeff Battersby (26m 27s)

Okay, all right, excellent.

Jeff Battersby (26m 30s)

Yeah, so Bill, if you're listening, we hope you are.

Jeff Battersby (26m 34s)

We'll get you on in a few weeks and have a little conversation about Forever Notes again and Snipt, very specifically about Forever Notes and Snipt, the vasectomy app.

Tom Anderson (26m 44s)

Yep. So, you know, I've got this. I don't know if I'd do that at home or not.

Jeff Battersby (26m 47s)

Sorry.

Jeff Battersby (26m 50s)

Home, all the stuff you can do at home these days.

Tom Anderson (26m 58s)

But to offset, Jeff, this new subscription or a couple of subscriptions I just picked up,

Siri Lawsuit Settlement

Tom Anderson (27m 3s)

there has been a lawsuit settlement around Siri privacy that we might be able to recoup a dollar

Jeff Battersby (27m 7s)

Yes, did you get that? I got a little email about that, that it might have been listening while I wasn't talking.

Tom Anderson (27m 17s)

Yeah, do your red flags go off when you get those emails?

Tom Anderson (27m 20s)

I always feel like they're scams.

Jeff Battersby (27m 21s)

Of course! Class action suit that you're a part of if you want to be, you know.

Tom Anderson (27m 23s)

It's like, so I'm like, well, let's see if any of the Apple sites pick this up.

Tom Anderson (27m 30s)

And if they do, then we'll know it's maybe true, but.

Jeff Battersby (27m 31s)

Yeah, no. I did get one of those emails and I'll probably do something.

Jeff Battersby (27m 35s)

You know what, it's really kind of-

Jeff Battersby (27m 37s)

of funny and I find this more recently and I think it's since I went to the no hay required for Siri that you know if I'm watching something on you know watching a movie or something like that I get always get that mm-hmm uh-huh or or yeah and it's a you know it is listening that's the end at present

Tom Anderson (27m 55s)

I get that, too.

Tom Anderson (28m 4s)

Nice to.

Jeff Battersby (28m 8s)

I'm trusting Apple we'll see what the future holds and I will tell you this also this is bizarre just speaking of that then we get back to the lawsuit I was you know had busy few weeks open a bar in a restaurant and then also opened a actually the restaurant opened so it had that and then opened a show last weekend. And...

Jeff Battersby (28m 37s)

Yeah, I'm pretty toasty. Like my level of sleep has not been great. So I lay down on the couch yesterday before we had a show last evening. And I swear to you, I whispered to my watch, "Hey Siri, set a timer for one hour so I could nap." And my watch didn't hear it. But my HomePod did. It was pretty wild. So yeah, those things listen and can hear

Jeff Battersby (29m 7s)

way better than you expect. And that's part of what this privacy suit is, is that it was catching information that it should not have been, and that started the listening process. And so this, as you put here, the issue dates back to 2019 when it was real that Apple contractors heard recordings of private conversations by the company's customers. This happened when Siri was accidentally triggered by something a HomePod or other device thought was a "Hey Siri"

Jeff Battersby (29m 37s)

command, but wasn't. Apple agreed to a $95 million settlement earlier this year, and now there's a website set up which will have this. I presume in the show notes that you can link to where you can register your claim. You have a valid claim if you suffered unintentional Siri activations during the time period listed. And it happens at least once or twice a week.

Tom Anderson (30m 2s)

Who hasn't? Everybody.

Jeff Battersby (30m 7s)

It still happens at least once or twice a week. So, you know, this is definitely something to check out. And you have here that the last sentence is the kicker. I'll read the paragraph and then you can read the rest. Anyway, it says, "As always," you shouldn't expect to get rich from this. The lawyers will, but you won't. "The payout has been capped at $20 per Siri device you can claim for up to five Siri devices for a maximum payout of $100. However, you may receive less than this depending on the total number of claims." Yeah, 100 bucks is pretty good. Most of the class action lawsuit stuff I get is like $5. So yeah, that's, you know, 100 bucks would be a lot. And, you know, I have enough Apple devices that have responded in that way that I probably can get, you know, the full $100. But it also,

Tom Anderson (30m 43s)

Right, because usually you get $7.60.

Jeff Battersby (31m 7s)

class action lawsuits also depend upon the number of people who are in the class. So if your class is huger than, which is not a word, huger than, maybe it is, then, you know, 90, if it's 95 million people, then, you know, yeah, enjoy the dollar. This is exactly right. Have a nice dollar. So, all right. Cool, cool.

Tom Anderson (31m 29s)

Enjoy your dollar.

Tom Anderson (31m 33s)

Right.

Tom Anderson (31m 35s)

But the good news is most people are lazy and won't do that.

Jeff Battersby (31m 37s)

Oh, right. Right. Instead of 100, but whatever. It takes a little effort to fill it all out.

Tom Anderson (31m 38s)

So you might get $8.

Tom Anderson (31m 48s)

So all of that for $95 million, chump change and Cupertino.

Jeff Battersby (31m 53s)

Chump change in Cupertino's right. That's change spilling on the floor. Yeah. Which can have to do with some of the personnel changes they've been making to chump change

Tom Anderson (31m 56s)

Show title right there.

Tom Anderson (32m 9s)

Well done.

Tom Anderson (32m 11s)

That's good.

Tom Anderson (32m 12s)

I like that one, that's good.

Jeff Battersby (32m 14s)

Sorry, speaking specifically of Apple AI.

Tom Anderson (32m 17s)

We're covering multiple segments with one show title.

Tom Anderson (32m 20s)

This is good.

Jeff Battersby (32m 23s)

Anyway, nobody gonna hire me at Apple.

Jeff Battersby (32m 27s)

Next up, Epic Games submits Fortnite to the US App Store.

More Bruises on Apple

Jeff Battersby (32m 32s)

I haven't followed this that much.

Jeff Battersby (32m 35s)

I do not play Fortnite, but...

Jeff Battersby (32m 37s)

there was some battle between...

Jeff Battersby (32m 41s)

I don't even know what it was.

Jeff Battersby (32m 42s)

Was it was how Fortnite wanted to collect money and Apple wasn't going to let them do that?

Tom Anderson (32m 47s)

Yeah, it got into that and then Epic was being a little sketchy and Apple ended up being a little sketchy and so it's all these things to want to corporate it ended up so a lot of it courts sided with Apple on some of it they didn't but the big kind of thing that came out recently was that where's that section there we go Apple now.

Tom Anderson (33m 17s)

Well before they wouldn't do this and everyone is familiar with this if you went into the Kindle app on your iPhone and you wanted to get a book it's like well you can't do that here you've got to go over to a web browser and do that and they couldn't even link to it right you know you can't do it you got to go over so the one thing that came out of this ruling in the courts was Apple is now required to allow developers to add links and buttons to their apps that direct customer.

Jeff Battersby (33m 22s)

Mm-hmm. Yes

Tom Anderson (33m 47s)

to digital purchase options available outside of the App Store. So that's more convenient. I like that. Apple says, "That's not very secure."

Tom Anderson (33m 55s)

And it's not very secure for their wallet is basically what it boils down to. And even, you know, the kind of the bigger takeaway from that is if they do that, and why I say that's not as secure for their wallet is if they link out, so, you know, like the Kindle app, which they've already put this in, Amazon has, if you link out in the Kindle app to go over to the Amazon store,

Tom Anderson (34m 17s)

Apple doesn't get a cut. They're not allowed to collect a commission on that, which before they were. And so it was 27%. So it was not the usual 30 from the App Store, Jeff, they were generous and knocked down to 27. And that's part of the things that came up in the court hearing, from what I understand, which I haven't followed this super closely either. So I'd looked at it a little bit this morning.

Tom Anderson (34m 47s)

Right. And I've been listening to some stuff and reading for the last couple weeks. But during some of the, I guess, the testimony of the court hearings or whatever, Phil Schiller, you know, used to be the head marketing person there at Apple, when these conversations were happening.

Tom Anderson (35m 4s)

And so he testified, and he said, quote, "I had great concerns about the collections of funds from developers."

Tom Anderson (35m 18s)

"About the change in the role of the App Store to now an organization that needs to collect money from developers." And so he was, you know, kind of concerned, like, this be more trouble than it's worth. What's, you know, anti-competitive type things.

Jeff Battersby (35m 35s)

feels like a vig. You know what I'm saying? A vig. It's what the mafia does. They come and say, it'd be a shame if you're

Tom Anderson (35m 36s)

He was obviously...

Tom Anderson (35m 48s)

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, right, right, you pay us for protection, right.

Jeff Battersby (35m 49s)

if you're building burned down. Maybe you should give us 30% of whatever you're making. Right? That's exactly that's that's

Jeff Battersby (36m)

what it is in kinder terms. So yeah.

Tom Anderson (36m 2s)

And so, you know, he had his reservations, but the story from MacRumors, they said "An Apple Pricing Committee. Things always go well when you have a committee, Jeff."

Jeff Battersby (36m 14s)

My favorite type of thing I love boards and committees go ahead

Tom Anderson (36m 18s)

Yes, that included CEO Tim Cook, former CFO, Luca Maestri, and Apple's legal team ultimately decided to implement the commission structure of 27%, which by the way, that is the same Luca Maestri,

Tom Anderson (36m 32s)

a few weeks ago, a month ago, when Mark Gurman at Bloomberg was writing about those internal meetings at Apple about how poor Apple intelligence has started off.

Tom Anderson (36m 44s)

Didn't want to budget for more GPUs so that they could do more. Instead, he said, "Yeah, why don't you guys just make that more efficient with what you have?"

Jeff Battersby (36m 51s)

Yeah, uh-huh. Okay, good guy. Smart. He's a money dude. Squeeze as much juice out of the apple as you can.

Tom Anderson (36m 54s)

So this guy seems like, yeah, yeah, right.

Tom Anderson (37m 3s)

And so this has led to even more discussions around the current state of Apple.

Tom Anderson (37m 13s)

So if you remember back when the AI stuff broke, when they were having, you know, they did the changes, the organizational changes there, where they put the guy who was overseeing the Vision Pro project is now over top of Apple intelligence.

Tom Anderson (37m 28s)

And Craig Federighi is more involved now, and there sounds like they're making some changes.

Tom Anderson (37m 33s)

Some good changes from what you can read from sources.

Tom Anderson (37m 36s)

And Gruber wrote that piece, "Something's Rotten in the State of Cupertino," and a bunch of other people chimed in.

Jeff Battersby (37m 42s)

Uh-huh, yep.

Tom Anderson (37m 44s)

And things don't seem to be so great overall for Apple.

Tom Anderson (37m 51s)

Like, iPhone has been, meh, sales-wise. Apple Watch is down for the last two years, I think it is.

Tom Anderson (38m 2s)

But just in general, like Apple intelligence, blah, and then this on top of it.

Tom Anderson (38m 7s)

And so John Siracusa, who is one of the old Apple heads, been around for ages like us, but used to do epic OS X reviews on Ars Technica.

Jeff Battersby (38m 14s)

A long time, yeah.

Jeff Battersby (38m 19s)

Yeah, we're amazing.

Tom Anderson (38m 19s)

And yeah, they were excellent. I mean, a must-read.

Jeff Battersby (38m 23s)

Miles long and very deep.

Tom Anderson (38m 23s)

And yeah, and I think probably that sure inspired Federico Vittici with his reviews he would do for iPad OS and things.

Tom Anderson (38m 32s)

But he wrote a piece titled "Apple Turnover," which was good too.

Tom Anderson (38m 39s)

Yeah, so we're all on fire here recently.

Jeff Battersby (38m 40s)

Clever title.

Jeff Battersby (38m 41s)

Well done.

Jeff Battersby (38m 43s)

Yeah, I guess.

Tom Anderson (38m 43s)

Just a couple of quotes I thought that were interesting from this piece, which we will link to, of course.

Tom Anderson (38m 49s)

"Time and time again, its policies have made its products worse for customers in exchange for more power, control, and yes, money for Apple."

Tom Anderson (38m 59s)

And then he kind of wraps it up at the end.

Tom Anderson (39m 3s)

"Whether it's an organization, an institution, or an organism, the old is replaced by the new.

Tom Anderson (39m 8s)

CEOs, sovereigns, or selves, it's time for new leadership at Apple."

Jeff Battersby (39m 14s)

Ooh, dang.

Tom Anderson (39m 14s)

I was like, yeah, he didn't hold back on that, did he?

Jeff Battersby (39m 16s)

Crack that whip.

Jeff Battersby (39m 18s)

Yeah, no, he didn't.

Jeff Battersby (39m 21s)

Yeah, and it's interesting.

Jeff Battersby (39m 22s)

And here's the thing, you know, I'm not anti-capitalist,

Jeff Battersby (39m 28s)

but, man, I have a lot of side eye for capitalism.

Jeff Battersby (39m 32s)

And part of the problem with capitalism is the need for constant monetary growth for stockholders, which can, I believe--

Jeff Battersby (39m 42s)

I do think-- you know, that's why we end up

Jeff Battersby (39m 44s)

with 40,000 different flavors of cereal, you know?

Jeff Battersby (39m 49s)

Same stuff, but this time with pink moons, or blue moons,

Jeff Battersby (39m 53s)

or green moons, or whatever it is.

Jeff Battersby (39m 58s)

This need to always raise revenue, I think,

Jeff Battersby (40m 4s)

results in stagnation internally.

Jeff Battersby (40m 6s)

Because whatever it is that's getting done internally It has to be, it has to have broader appeal.

Jeff Battersby (40m 14s)

than maybe was the case in the past.

Jeff Battersby (40m 17s)

Steve Jobs was smart and we can look at what he did and I think one of the things that he did do was he tried to refine focus, for better or for worse.

Jeff Battersby (40m 29s)

One button on an iPhone, or not one button,

Jeff Battersby (40m 32s)

but you had the home button and that was kind of it without a lot of other stuff.

Jeff Battersby (40m 37s)

And I think that turns out to be a good thing.

Jeff Battersby (40m 41s)

but he, I think it was Bauhaus, the design.

Jeff Battersby (40m 44s)

designer that he kind of, he followed that aesthetic,

Jeff Battersby (40m 47s)

which was to reduce things to their essence,

Jeff Battersby (40m 52s)

you know, the very smallest components that you needed to make something elegant and work well.

Jeff Battersby (41m)

And I think when money is the main emphasis,

Jeff Battersby (41m 6s)

you know, when profit, stockholder price,

Jeff Battersby (41m 10s)

all that stuff becomes the main emphasis,

Jeff Battersby (41m 12s)

then what?

Jeff Battersby (41m 14s)

What happens at the level where that money's being made is you get spread out too thin,

Jeff Battersby (41m 18s)

not enough focus.

Jeff Battersby (41m 19s)

Apple Intelligence, if you're going to dive into the AI world, which obviously that's a thing, I think a little overblown still on all accounts, no matter who it is, everybody's got AI in their product these days, including Snippet.

Jeff Battersby (41m 38s)

The thing that happens is you lose the ability to refine whatever it is that you're doing.

Jeff Battersby (41m 44s)

good focus on it.

Jeff Battersby (41m 45s)

And when you've got a guy, like you said, like Maestri, who's saying, "Do better with the junk you have," you end up losing the ability to do the best thing that you can do to be smart about those things.

Jeff Battersby (42m 4s)

So anyway, we'll see.

Jeff Battersby (42m 7s)

That's a tough call by Syracuse.

Jeff Battersby (42m 10s)

And he's flying the apple flag upside down.

Jeff Battersby (42m 14s)

that, uh, in, in that, uh, you know, that particular article,

Jeff Battersby (42m 18s)

which is, you know, interesting.

Jeff Battersby (42m 21s)

We're in a state of disarray is what his opinion is.

Jeff Battersby (42m 24s)

And we'll see.

Jeff Battersby (42m 25s)

We'll see if we are.

Jeff Battersby (42m 26s)

Apple has become, yeah, I know the old, the oldie.

Tom Anderson (42m 27s)

And I like he used the six color Apple logo to kind of throws you back to back the old beleaguered Apple days in the, in the nineties, which are nowhere near that.

Jeff Battersby (42m 34s)

Yeah.

Jeff Battersby (42m 34s)

Right.

Jeff Battersby (42m 35s)

Right.

Jeff Battersby (42m 36s)

John Scully, let's, let's bring John's.

Tom Anderson (42m 38s)

And so that's not even close.

Jeff Battersby (42m 38s)

I don't think we are either.

Jeff Battersby (42m 39s)

And there's billions of dollars that you can, you know, waste

Jeff Battersby (42m 44s)

and finally turn into something, but you know, I think a more singular focus on product, uh, and what it is that you're designing.

Jeff Battersby (42m 53s)

Um, you know, I think it's hard to innovate past the current iPhone iteration.

Jeff Battersby (42m 58s)

You know, we got a special button for taking pictures in the last phone.

Jeff Battersby (43m 2s)

Okay, cool.

Jeff Battersby (43m 3s)

Um, it's not innovation.

Jeff Battersby (43m 5s)

It's, you know, it's, it's not something new and different

Jeff Battersby (43m 11s)

rumors of the next iPhone are going to be super

Jeff Battersby (43m 14s)

thin. Okay, great. Okay. I don't know. You know, the Vision Pro. And not much because you know, who cares? You know, there's, and I think this goes back to the thing that when we were talking to Lear Eich, you know, when you're designing things,

Tom Anderson (43m 19s)

What else do you have to say about that?

Jeff Battersby (43m 35s)

whether it's user interfaces or things that you want to work with, you know, there's a way of pushing a kind of an innovation that the developer thinks the user needs and then there's a way of

Jeff Battersby (43m 48s)

developing or something around what a user actually does need and will fulfill some

Jeff Battersby (43m 55s)

some need if you want to call it that whether or not anybody actually needs tech is a fair question, but

Jeff Battersby (44m 2s)

You know

Jeff Battersby (44m 6s)

You know Leah's Leah was really smart about that in that episode we'd encourage you to go back and listen to it

Jeff Battersby (44m 14s)

You know, those things often get left to the wayside in service to, you know, how are we going to make a better buck?

Jeff Battersby (44m 25s)

So anyway, we'll see.

Jeff Battersby (44m 27s)

We'll see.

Jeff Battersby (44m 28s)

Having lots of money and lots of things on the plate could make it very unsatisfactory.

Tom Anderson (44m 28s)

Yeah

Tom Anderson (44m 32s)

Well, I think the challenge they're running into with the phone and all the other phone makers are running into the same thing is it's Very mature at this point. We're up to iPhone 16

Jeff Battersby (44m 40s)

Yeah. Yeah.

Tom Anderson (44m 41s)

17 coming up in a few months

Tom Anderson (44m 45s)

Samsung and the others Google, you know, they're all making good phones

Tom Anderson (44m 50s)

Very good phones

Tom Anderson (44m 52s)

And you know, I think it's sometimes

Tom Anderson (44m 56s)

perspective, it's easy to lose that and

Tom Anderson (44m 58s)

of just how great the phones are right now, right?

Tom Anderson (45m 5s)

Because you go back and you see some of those things,

Tom Anderson (45m 7s)

like, well, the phone replaced all of these things.

Tom Anderson (45m 8s)

And there's like a VCR, there's a TV, there's a camera,

Tom Anderson (45m 11s)

there's a phone, there's a recording studio,

Tom Anderson (45m 14s)

there's all these different things, which is all true,

Tom Anderson (45m 17s)

but it's been around for a while.

Tom Anderson (45m 18s)

And so there's only so much you can do with the phone form factor.

Tom Anderson (45m 20s)

So they go thinner, they go lighter,

Tom Anderson (45m 22s)

maybe a foldable, who knows.

Tom Anderson (45m 24s)

And I think everybody's kind of looking for what that next thing's going to be.

Tom Anderson (45m 29s)

I saw Story 2, Apple's working on some chips,

Tom Anderson (45m 32s)

which isn't a surprise,

Tom Anderson (45m 33s)

but it was one of the Mac rumors stories.

Tom Anderson (45m 36s)

Custom chips for the glasses, not the Vision Pro,

Tom Anderson (45m 39s)

but just regular glasses, kind of like the Meta Ray Bans.

Tom Anderson (45m 42s)

Google's working on that.

Tom Anderson (45m 43s)

They've got some new stuff with Gemini that people were excited about that's gonna help drive those.

Tom Anderson (45m 49s)

And so I think that's kind of out there,

Tom Anderson (45m 52s)

who knows if that's going to materialize into anything,

Tom Anderson (45m 54s)

that's kind of to be determined.

Tom Anderson (45m 56s)

And so yeah, I get it, it's, yeah.

Tom Anderson (45m 58s)

They killed the iPod for the phone.

Tom Anderson (46m 2s)

Something will come after the phone,

Tom Anderson (46m 6s)

but it's still unknown at this point what that is.

Tom Anderson (46m 10s)

But even if you look at laptops,

Tom Anderson (46m 12s)

like there's, performance-wise,

Tom Anderson (46m 15s)

yes, there's been a lot of innovation in laptops in the last, geez, just with Apple Silicon, right?

Tom Anderson (46m 20s)

Not even going back 10 years,

Tom Anderson (46m 23s)

but I did a post the other day where it was like,

Tom Anderson (46m 27s)

What was your first Mac?

Tom Anderson (46m 28s)

And it was a power book, one 65 seat back in the nineties.

Tom Anderson (46m 31s)

But if you look at it, it's the same form factors, the clamshell screens up top keyboard, it had a track ball.

Tom Anderson (46m 36s)

We've got track pads.

Tom Anderson (46m 37s)

Now it has some ports to plug some stuff into sound form factor.

Jeff Battersby (46m 40s)

Yeah. Correct.

Tom Anderson (46m 41s)

You can only do so much with the form factors.

Tom Anderson (46m 43s)

Um, and then the rest of it's, you know, the, the, the guts of the machine and the software on top of it, which, you know, they continue to make good strides there, um, but that also plays into some of these problems is that constant, you You know, people are like...

Tom Anderson (46m 58s)

What are you going to put new in the phone?

Tom Anderson (46m 59s)

You got to put something new in the phone.

Tom Anderson (47m 1s)

Users want new stuff.

Tom Anderson (47m 2s)

And so they do these OS releases every year that, I'm not going to lie, I enjoy.

Tom Anderson (47m 7s)

So, I mean, I'm as guilty as the next person, right?

Jeff Battersby (47m 7s)

Yeah, I do too.

Tom Anderson (47m 10s)

When WWDC is coming up, we're going to talk about that, you know, a bunch.

Tom Anderson (47m 14s)

And so it'd be hypocritical to say that's a bad thing, but it brings challenges though, because like you were just saying, well, we've got this other stuff we could go back to and improve that needs some work and spit and polish on it.

Tom Anderson (47m 28s)

Well, I can't do that because now we need to put some new features into the calendar app or whatever it is for the next update.

Tom Anderson (47m 34s)

So it's tough and it's, but you know, they get paid a lot of money and they make a lot of money and I'm sure they'll continue to push forward.

Jeff Battersby (47m 43s)

Yeah, they should be able to figure something out, but that's an interesting call on Syracuse's part to say, "Time to replace people."

Tom Anderson (47m 49s)

Yeah, and they've had some turnover and I think Tim Cook's been a good CEO overall.

Tom Anderson (47m 57s)

I mean, they've grown the company a lot, you can say, "Well, they haven't put out a bunch of new products."

Tom Anderson (48m 3s)

And it's like, "Well, no."

Tom Anderson (48m 4s)

I mean, Apple Watch, they say, was, I think, on the drawing board when Steve was still there.

Tom Anderson (48m 12s)

But Tim also had the struggle of following Steve.

Tom Anderson (48m 16s)

And so I think in that position, I think he's kind of--

Tom Anderson (48m 20s)

I think Laura and Steve was at this point.

Tom Anderson (48m 22s)

And I think he's done a good job.

Jeff Battersby (48m 23s)

Yeah I agree I don't think he has the the same pizzazz that Steve Jobs did you know he's he lacks that and I think that unfortunately no nobody you can't can't be another person right that doesn't that yes

Tom Anderson (48m 32s)

right and

Tom Anderson (48m 35s)

Who does

Tom Anderson (48m 37s)

not many

Tom Anderson (48m 39s)

Right

Tom Anderson (48m 42s)

But he has been there a long time so maybe it is time I mean and I'm sure he's probably I mean He's not a super young guy either. So he's probably

Jeff Battersby (48m 49s)

I'm ready to

Tom Anderson (48m 49s)

has I'm sure they've got a succession plan and everything and and

Tom Anderson (48m 54s)

Somebody I'll take it over and we'll see what happens then once we're

Tom Anderson (48m 57s)

Two CEOs on the other side of Steve and it's hard. I mean, it's hard

Jeff Battersby (49m 1s)

see what kind of white, white smoke comes out of the chimney.

Tom Anderson (49m 2s)

And they'll announce you as the new CEO, and then I'll be sitting in this closet by myself.

Jeff Battersby (49m 8s)

Right, that'll happen.

Tom Anderson (49m 11s)

Yeah, I doubt it. Yeah, you tease me. Yeah, I'll be there. Watch,

Jeff Battersby (49m 13s)

That's still I'd still come and hang out with you Tom.

Tom Anderson (49m 19s)

you're still there. I'm not showing up. All right, Jeff, take us home, sir.

Jeff Battersby (49m 21s)

Little fake avatar. All right. All right. So this is been another 50 minutes that you've spent with us and we appreciate As always.Close

Jeff Battersby (49m 31s)

We're grateful that you come and listen and if you listen this far you're amazing you're more than

Jeff Battersby (49m 38s)

More than most I don't think Tom listens this far when he listens to the episodes

Jeff Battersby (49m 44s)

As I hack out a lung

Jeff Battersby (49m 46s)

So thank you for coming to listen remember

Jeff Battersby (49m 50s)

Like subscribe do whatever you do on your particular podcast app We are growing and we're grateful for that every single episode So thank you, and I've already talked about artwork.

Jeff Battersby (50m 1s)

And all that jazz. So, Tom, you have a new.

Tom Anderson (50m 6s)

I do, tomfanderson.com/newsletter.

Tom Anderson (50m 11s)

All right, great.

Tom Anderson (50m 12s)

So thanks again for being here.

Tom Anderson (50m 13s)

We will talk to you in a couple of weeks until then.

Tom Anderson (50m 16s)

Take care.

Jeff Battersby (50m 17s)

See ya!