iPhone 16 Pro Max & New Operating Systems

Intro

Tom Anderson (0s)

Why is it all scratched up? I don't want one that's scratched up.

Tom Anderson (12s)

Hello everyone and welcome back to Basic AF, a new episode. Tom Anderson and Jeff Battersby

Tom Anderson (17s)

here hanging out with you again and

Tom Anderson (19s)

Hello to you Jeff. How are you, sir?

Jeff Battersby (22s)

Good morning, Tom Anderson.

Jeff Battersby (25s)

How are you?

Tom Anderson (25s)

I'm doing pretty great. Yourself?

Jeff Battersby (27s)

Good, I'm all right.

Jeff Battersby (28s)

I am, you know, doing all right.

Jeff Battersby (30s)

Directing a play and as soon as I finish with you here,

Jeff Battersby (35s)

I'm off to rehearsal, so.

Tom Anderson (36s)

Busy day, first Saturday.

Jeff Battersby (38s)

Yeah, it is.

Tom Anderson (39s)

Yep.

Jeff Battersby (41s)

So, that's me, that's me.

Jeff Battersby (42s)

I'm very excited.

Tom Anderson (43s)

All right.

Jeff Battersby (43s)

Eleanor, play Eleanor, about Eleanor Roosevelt.

Jeff Battersby (46s)

Really great play by Mark St. Germain.

Jeff Battersby (50s)

Yeah.

Tom Anderson (50s)

I thought you were going back to that AI clip you sent me before we started.

Jeff Battersby (50s)

you

Jeff Battersby (53s)

Hmm here we go here we go the creepy AI singer karaoke club that you would

Tom Anderson (53s)

I was like, "What?

Tom Anderson (54s)

Is he going to sing now, is he?

Tom Anderson (56s)

Okay, great."

Tom Anderson (57s)

There go the listeners.

Tom Anderson (1m)

Yep.

Tom Anderson (1m 2s)

So this is episode 45.

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Jeff Battersby (1m 16s)

Yeah

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Yeah, we're really grateful for everybody who is listening and there are a lot of you now

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Yeah.

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Really super thrilled about that. So thanks and as a reminder, you know to help us out in

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Yeah, definitely.

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Uh, right.

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We're never appropriate, but you have to be.

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That's right.

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All right.

Tom Anderson (2m 35s)

So last show, Joe Moyer joined us and we talked about the Apple event.

Jeff Battersby (2m 42s)

Mm-hmm.

Tom Anderson (2m 42s)

Um, glow techs, that thing called glowtastic glow time.

Jeff Battersby (2m 47s)

Glow time?

Jeff Battersby (2m 48s)

Glow time, geez.

Tom Anderson (2m 48s)

Yeah.

Jeff Battersby (2m 50s)

Okay, great.

Tom Anderson (2m 50s)

Man, how quickly we forget.

Jeff Battersby (2m 52s)

Yeah, no kidding.

Tom Anderson (2m 52s)

Um, yes.

Jeff Battersby (2m 53s)

It's very exciting.

Tom Anderson (2m 54s)

And so since then we've had new operating systems released, new iPhones, Apple watches, AirPods.

Tom Anderson (3m 2s)

Uh, as well.

Tom Anderson (3m 3s)

And so we're going to talk a little bit about that stuff.

Tom Anderson (3m 6s)

Jeff got something new this week.

Jeff’s New Things

Jeff Battersby (3m 7s)

I got a couple of new things, Tom. Two new things. Thing one, I got a new fine woven case for my 15 Pro Max. A nice green one. I know everybody hated those, and I didn't hate mine. I really kind of liked it, but I wanted to get a green one, so I got a green one before they disappear forever. So I ordered that at

Tom Anderson (3m 9s)

Ooh, a couple of things.

Jeff Battersby (3m 37s)

I guess I'm an idiot, but whatever. And the other thing that I got was I was at the Apple store the other day and uh, you know,

Jeff Battersby (3m 45s)

touching all the new things and seeing how they played and what they did.

Jeff Battersby (3m 50s)

And I got a nice new trail band for my,

Jeff Battersby (3m 55s)

uh, for my Apple watch ultra first edition.

Jeff Battersby (3m 59s)

So, which I'm very happy with. That's crazy. I got a green thing.

Tom Anderson (4m)

Very nice and that was green too, right? Yeah. No. Yeah, I like it

Jeff Battersby (4m 3s)

And my eyes are green. See, so everything's green right now.

Jeff Battersby (4m 8s)

Um, so yeah. And, uh, I will point out interestingly that, uh,

Jeff Battersby (4m 11s)

the orange tab that was on the first generation of those is no more.

Jeff Battersby (4m 16s)

All the new bands have, uh, have tabs that are, uh,

Jeff Battersby (4m 20s)

the same color as the band.

Jeff Battersby (4m 23s)

So less likely to look filthy and uncleanable. Yeah.

Tom Anderson (4m 26s)

Grungy yeah

Jeff Battersby (4m 28s)

Which my orange one, uh, which probably next to one of my famous, famous, good God, my favorite,

Jeff Battersby (4m 38s)

uh, bands. That's the one I use the most often.

Jeff Battersby (4m 40s)

It's the one that's most comfortable on my wrist. Uh, so I wore it a lot.

Jeff Battersby (4m 44s)

I was looking at it, got pretty frayed, got used, you know, I use that a lot and,

Jeff Battersby (4m 48s)

uh, you know, hiking and other stuff.

Jeff Battersby (4m 50s)

So happy to have those two new things in.

Tom Anderson (4m 53s)

There you go. And a bit, just a tiny bit, I think, with the new band, tiny bit of commitment to your watch lifestyle that you're still not 100% in on I know, but that was a well, keep waiting. And, but, you know, because bands are not cheap for that. So it's 100 bucks. Yeah, so good to see you taking that next step towards the commitment, which is the ring

Jeff Battersby (4m 59s)

Mm-hmm.

Jeff Battersby (5m 4s)

Waiting for the ring, man.

Jeff Battersby (5m 16s)

Dude, a hundred bucks, yeah.

Jeff Battersby (5m 18s)

Which is insane, 'cause, yeah, I don't know.

Jeff Battersby (5m 22s)

I will say, I looked at, I did put my fingers on the new Apple Watch.

Jeff Battersby (5m 29s)

Peace.

Tom Anderson (5m 39s)

Yeah, I bet it does.

Tom Anderson (5m 40s)

Yeah.

Tom Anderson (5m 41s)

All the pictures.

Tom Anderson (5m 42s)

It looks really good.

Tom Anderson (5m 43s)

Just seeing lots of dings on them already.

Tom Anderson (5m 46s)

I'm like, yeah, people posting on threads and read it.

Tom Anderson (5m 51s)

And I'm like, yeah, that would, I don't know, I kind of don't know if I'd like that.

Jeff Battersby (5m 58s)

the scratchiness

Tom Anderson (5m 58s)

Like I know my Ultra has it, like I can see them, but because it blends in so well, you can't really tell.

Jeff Battersby (6m 3s)

Right right no see the scratches

Tom Anderson (6m 4s)

But, and that was my concern, right?

Tom Anderson (6m 6s)

Because at work, when we buy our MacBooks, we typically...

Tom Anderson (6m 10s)

because they conceal those little dings and everything pretty well.

Tom Anderson (6m 13s)

And one year, I don't know if it was a mistake in our ordering,

Tom Anderson (6m 18s)

but we got like a small batch of Space Grays and they were the same way.

Tom Anderson (6m 23s)

They would come in like, you know, students bang them off stuff.

Tom Anderson (6m 25s)

And they would come in and that shiny aluminum would really

Tom Anderson (6m 29s)

be obvious when there was a scratch there.

Tom Anderson (6m 31s)

And so we were like, yeah, let's not get any more of those because...

Jeff Battersby (6m 34s)

Yeah.

Tom Anderson (6m 35s)

So why is it all scratched up?

Tom Anderson (6m 36s)

"I don't want one that's scratched up."

Tom Anderson (6m 39s)

Well, because, yeah, anyhow, yeah, good, yes.

Jeff Battersby (6m 44s)

So anyway, that's me. I bought new stuff. But you, Tom, got

Jeff Battersby (6m 49s)

some new stuff, too.

iPhone 16 Pro Max

Tom Anderson (6m 51s)

I did. I got an upgraded phone, like we talked about last episode. I got the 16 Pro Max in natural titanium, 256 gigabytes of just the entry. Thought briefly about the 512, but I was like, "Nah,

Jeff Battersby (6m 55s)

What did you get?

Jeff Battersby (7m)

Such a nice color.

Tom Anderson (7m 8s)

I don't think I'll really need it.

Tom Anderson (7m 9s)

'cause even on the 14 Pro with the 256,

Tom Anderson (7m 11s)

I still had like a hundred gigs free.

Jeff Battersby (7m 13s)

Yeah.

Tom Anderson (7m 13s)

'Cause everything, you know,

Tom Anderson (7m 14s)

balances with the cloud storage and all that and stays optimized pretty well.

Tom Anderson (7m 18s)

And I don't really need to keep my entire photo library on the phone.

Tom Anderson (7m 24s)

You know, I've got that on the Mac mini and it's backed up over there, but yeah.

Tom Anderson (7m 30s)

So I got that.

Tom Anderson (7m 30s)

I did get this very nice ultramarine silicone case from Apple that I was kind of apprehensive about just from the preview.

Tom Anderson (7m 39s)

So, I'm going to go ahead and play it.

Tom Anderson (8m 5s)

struggles with it and it has not really picked up a whole lot of lint.

Tom Anderson (8m 9s)

And I checked around on Reddit and on threads and some other people have commented the same. So maybe they did, maybe we're all just geeked because it's our new thing and in three months we'll all complain. Because there is, you know,

Tom Anderson (8m 22s)

that could be too. But so far it's been it's been pretty good.

Jeff Battersby (8m 25s)

Rub it around your belly button and see what it does.

Tom Anderson (8m 27s)

That's disgusting. There go the listeners. Just for the record, I will not be doing that.

Jeff Battersby (8m 37s)

Sure, Tom.

Jeff Battersby (8m 40s)

Whatever.

Jeff Battersby (8m 41s)

Cool, so yeah, you're liking that.

Jeff Battersby (8m 43s)

It looks really pretty.

Jeff Battersby (8m 45s)

I like the way it looks and I don't know,

Jeff Battersby (8m 48s)

I've never done the silicon.

Jeff Battersby (8m 50s)

Cases before, so I don't know.

Tom Anderson (8m 52s)

And you went so when you were at store quick question for you while we're talking about the color

Jeff Battersby (8m 54s)

Yes, sir.

Jeff Battersby (8m 55s)

Yep.

Jeff Battersby (8m 57s)

By the way, on a Wednesday, I think it was a Wednesday pack to the walls at one in the afternoon to the walls.

Tom Anderson (9m 3s)

One's at the Danbury store.

Jeff Battersby (9m 4s)

Yeah.

Tom Anderson (9m 5s)

Yeah.

Jeff Battersby (9m 6s)

To the walls.

Tom Anderson (9m 7s)

Just some random Wednesday.

Jeff Battersby (9m 7s)

Like, yeah.

Tom Anderson (9m 8s)

It's like Costco.

Tom Anderson (9m 9s)

You ever go and you go to Costco in Middle Age?

Jeff Battersby (9m 10s)

Costco is the most busy too, right?

Tom Anderson (9m 11s)

It's like, what do you people do that you can't just go to Costco all hours of the day?

Jeff Battersby (9m 16s)

Yeah.

Jeff Battersby (9m 16s)

Tons of people and not enough people to help you.

Jeff Battersby (9m 21s)

Took me half an hour to get a watch.

Jeff Battersby (9m 26s)

Um, anyway, you have a question for me with regard to the store.

Tom Anderson (9m 27s)

Anywho, I do.

Tom Anderson (9m 30s)

And I know you looked at the iPhone 16 colors,

Jeff Battersby (9m 35s)

I did.

Tom Anderson (9m 37s)

and the reason I wanted to ask you this is so this ultramarine case,

Tom Anderson (9m 39s)

they've got an iPhone 16 in the same color.

Tom Anderson (9m 42s)

And all of the pictures I see from people that have that,

Tom Anderson (9m 45s)

I think that's my favorite one.

Tom Anderson (9m 47s)

And I'm gonna go over to Best Buy maybe this afternoon to see it in person.

Jeff Battersby (9m 50s)

And have a look

Tom Anderson (9m 50s)

But yeah, so what'd you think of the colors?

Jeff Battersby (9m 52s)

All right, you know the colors are great. I wish that they would do it with with the pro models

Jeff Battersby (9m 59s)

They are really pretty I sent you a picture of a greenish looking one, maybe it's teal I can't remember what color it is, but it that one is gorgeous. It's like a really really nice color I know we complained a little bit about the flatness of those colors

Tom Anderson (10m 2s)

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Jeff Battersby (10m 14s)

But they they look really nice in person. So maybe photography of them doesn't doesn't

Jeff Battersby (10m 20s)

Quite do them justice

Jeff Battersby (10m 22s)

They are they're really nice and the hand feel of those phones really great

Jeff Battersby (10m 28s)

I'm uh, you know, I have currently have my my green fine woven case on now because otherwise the

Jeff Battersby (10m 36s)

Titanium on that little mount that I have on my display

Jeff Battersby (10m 40s)

Titanium can't hold it the thing tilts sideways when the cameras up there So I have to have a case on what I'm doing this, but typically at home I'm caseless and I would be.

Jeff Battersby (10m 50s)

16, if I were to have one and it's, uh, it's, it's got a really nice feel to it.

Jeff Battersby (10m 57s)

I will say that if I were doing a pro max again, um, sorry, if I were doing a pro, you know, if I were getting something now, I would go back to the pro, not the pro max, the size on that is right in my sweet spot.

Jeff Battersby (11m 10s)

I really like it.

Jeff Battersby (11m 11s)

I, this one doesn't bother me.

Jeff Battersby (11m 14s)

And I will say that the new 16 pros, uh, when you.

Jeff Battersby (11m 20s)

You know, I put them against each other, mine and my 15 pro max and the, and the 16 pro max, and it's about the same size as my 15 pro max with a case on it.

Jeff Battersby (11m 34s)

That's, that's what the difference is.

Jeff Battersby (11m 36s)

So it's a little bigger.

Jeff Battersby (11m 37s)

So yours is, you know, probably a little fatter than mine.

Jeff Battersby (11m 41s)

How are you finding the size?

Tom Anderson (11m 42s)

Um, I have not had an issue with it, which was my little bit of my concern going into it.

Tom Anderson (11m 50s)

Uh, and so I tend to go through these big mental gymnastics to try to decide what to buy.

Tom Anderson (11m 57s)

And it's so stupid.

Tom Anderson (11m 58s)

And my wife laughs at me, but, um, but the 14 pro, which was still, I think the stainless steel bands along the side and everything, those were heavy, uh, for what it was.

Jeff Battersby (12m 4s)

Yep

Tom Anderson (12m 8s)

Um, and the pro max version of that was, you know, heavy ER.

Tom Anderson (12m 12s)

So I went and I looked, the 14 pro that I had was like 7.27 ounces.

Tom Anderson (12m 18s)

And then I looked in the pro max for the 16 is basically eight ounces, 7.99.

Tom Anderson (12m 23s)

Um, so that's not a huge difference.

Tom Anderson (12m 27s)

And even when it came in, you know, I had the 14 pro in one hand and the new one in the other, and probably with the weight distribution on a little bit better, it didn't really feel that much heavier.

Tom Anderson (12m 40s)

It's more the bulkiness of it.

Tom Anderson (12m 42s)

Just because of the physical dimensions, um, but I have not really had an issue with it.

Tom Anderson (12m 48s)

I'm still adjusting a little bit to, you know, how I want to, you know, do the one hand typing if I need to do that.

Tom Anderson (12m 54s)

Um, like if I'm taking a walk or whatever the thing is, uh, but the, the swipe keyboard I typically will fall back to sometimes if I need to with the one handed stuff.

Jeff Battersby (13m 5s)

Yeah

Tom Anderson (13m 6s)

Um, but other than that, not really a problem.

Jeff Battersby (13m 7s)

Do you do the little slide over keypad - do you make it so it you know how you can make the keyboard

Jeff Battersby (13m 13s)

Basically compact to one side or the other of your

Tom Anderson (13m 16s)

I haven't tried that, no. I forgot all about that to be honest.

Jeff Battersby (13m 17s)

the only time I've ever done it is by accident and

Tom Anderson (13m 21s)

You're like, "Oh, I didn't know it did that."

Jeff Battersby (13m 24s)

No, I don't want that I think it's more like what it is, but

Tom Anderson (13m 27s)

Yeah, I have not. Yeah, I haven't tried that.

Jeff Battersby (13m 29s)

Yeah, there's a little when it's wide it gives you it puts the keyboard into a little more compact space

Jeff Battersby (13m 35s)

So I've seen a lot of talk, you know, there's the new there's the new camera control button

Camera Control

Jeff Battersby (13m 44s)

That's on all the models. It's on every single one. I did play with that a little bit and

Jeff Battersby (13m 49s)

at least initial touch of it really kind of simple to use but I've seen a lot online that

Jeff Battersby (13m 56s)

It's problematic for some people particularly when they're shooting in

Jeff Battersby (14m 2s)

in uh... portrait mode

Jeff Battersby (14m 5s)

you know that they find that their fingers are getting on that uh... however you first of all finding the camera control button and are you finding that it's like in the way rather than out of the way Okay.

Tom Anderson (14m 17s)

At this point, I am pretty indifferent towards it.

Tom Anderson (14m 21s)

Um, I have fooled around with it, of course, just to kind of see what I thought of it.

Tom Anderson (14m 27s)

I don't really like the placement of it very much.

Tom Anderson (14m 31s)

Uh, it is a little low for like portrait.

Tom Anderson (14m 36s)

If you're right handed, my thumb kind of naturally goes above it and it's a little awkward if if you're doing like a landscape shot to get to.

Tom Anderson (14m 47s)

And so there's that.

Tom Anderson (14m 50s)

I did kind of just stumble upon that if you turn the phone kind of upside down when you're in a landscape shot so that you're not,

Tom Anderson (14m 59s)

you don't have the camera control button up on the top,

Jeff Battersby (15m 1s)

on top. Yep. Interesting. Okay.

Tom Anderson (15m 1s)

but it's underneath.

Tom Anderson (15m 2s)

It was a little easier to scroll things because my thumb kind of lands naturally where the button is.

Tom Anderson (15m 9s)

And so I don't know.

Tom Anderson (15m 11s)

And to be honest, I haven't done,

Tom Anderson (15m 13s)

I haven't had a chance to get out to a whole lot of shooting of anything

Tom Anderson (15m 17s)

between work and we've had a bunch of rain this week.

Tom Anderson (15m 19s)

And so I haven't done too much with it.

Tom Anderson (15m 22s)

I do want to go out and actually, you know,

Tom Anderson (15m 25s)

do some shooting and kind of say,

Tom Anderson (15m 28s)

how is this if I solely intend to use this for adjusting settings and taking pictures and all that stuff, just to give it a run through.

Tom Anderson (15m 38s)

But I think part of it is there's for the scrolling because the button is a little less than an inch if you're looking at it top to bottom.

Tom Anderson (15m 47s)

And so for some of the adjustments that you want to make,

Tom Anderson (15m 51s)

you're kind of picking your finger up and it kind of reminds me of the old scroll wheels,

Jeff Battersby (15m 55s)

Scrawly mouse. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Tom Anderson (15m 57s)

you know, on the mice, you know,

Tom Anderson (15m 58s)

where you would only roll so forward so much and you have to lift your finger up and kind of keep hammering that thing or the mouse balls,

Jeff Battersby (16m 3s)

Right.

Tom Anderson (16m 4s)

those kinds of things, track balls.

Jeff Battersby (16m 5s)

Mouse balls. Nice job. Good, good. Excellent.

Tom Anderson (16m 7s)

You're welcome.

Jeff Battersby (16m 9s)

So now we've moved on to explicit rating.

Tom Anderson (16m 9s)

Yeah.

Jeff Battersby (16m 11s)

Good. Good for you.

Tom Anderson (16m 13s)

One of us had to do it.

Tom Anderson (16m 15s)

But...

Tom Anderson (16m 17s)

So yeah, I don't know.

Tom Anderson (16m 18s)

I know, like everything Apple puts out,

Tom Anderson (16m 20s)

there's usually strong opinions that get posted.

Tom Anderson (16m 24s)

And part of that is because Apple over-hypes everything.

Tom Anderson (16m 28s)

It's like they set themselves up for it

Jeff Battersby (16m 30s)

Not wrong.

Tom Anderson (16m 33s)

and they've got, they can handle it.

Tom Anderson (16m 35s)

But I don't know, I take it or leave it at this point.

Tom Anderson (16m 39s)

I do find it interesting that they've become pro-button of late, right?

Tom Anderson (16m 44s)

They did the action button last year,

Tom Anderson (16m 47s)

you mentioned this when you got yours,

Tom Anderson (16m 48s)

like the action button's in a weird spot,

Tom Anderson (16m 50s)

it's hard to reach.

Tom Anderson (16m 51s)

And this button is kind of in a odd spot for what it's intended for.

Jeff Battersby (16m 57s)

And I will say, so here's the interesting thing about the button, the action button.

Jeff Battersby (17m 2s)

I have gotten used to where it is now. Initially, I thought it was out of place. And the more that I think about it, I think Apple did the right thing, that it was the right decision.

Jeff Battersby (17m 10s)

I am a lefty phone user. So everything I do is with my left hand.

Tom Anderson (17m 15s)

Okay, so it'd be better with that, like I just, I mean, it's right at the thumb almost.

Jeff Battersby (17m 19s)

Yeah, exactly. What I found with the action button is that it was a little...

Jeff Battersby (17m 27s)

Particularly with the Pro Max, a little far to reach. But I have gotten used to it. That is my Halide button, although now I have Halide on the home screen too, which is a nice feature.

Jeff Battersby (17m 40s)

So that button placement, I got used to it. But initially, it felt like it was in the wrong spot.

Jeff Battersby (17m 45s)

It is definitely in the right spot for taking pictures. Like that action button,

Jeff Battersby (17m 50s)

if you set Halide as your camera that you use with the action button,

Jeff Battersby (17m 55s)

You can also use that to.

Jeff Battersby (17m 57s)

Take a picture.

Jeff Battersby (17m 57s)

And that is correct for me, you know, cause I usually have that up.

Jeff Battersby (18m 1s)

That is the way, the way that you said that it might be easier, uh, you know, with, with the sound volume buttons in landscape mode to the upside and the, uh, and the, uh, the camera control button down below.

Jeff Battersby (18m 15s)

That is the way I normally take pictures.

Jeff Battersby (18m 18s)

Um, so that is the, that is the standard for me.

Jeff Battersby (18m 22s)

What I noticed is when I was in store holding it.

Jeff Battersby (18m 27s)

Is because I do everything with my left hand with the phone 90% of the time, you know, it's a that's where it is that camera control button, not at all in the way for me, you know, the way that I hold the phone is typically two fingers, you know, my my ring finger and my pinky finger underneath the phone and then my forefinger middle finger above where that camera control button is, you know, if I'm holding it that way, so it never gets in the way.

Jeff Battersby (18m 54s)

I never would accidentally do some.

Jeff Battersby (18m 57s)

Something with that with that button but that's because I hold it left handed I could very easily see that if you're right handed holding it the same way your thumbs going to hit that spot.

Jeff Battersby (19m 7s)

So that's a, you know, I could, I could see the placement being problematic but for me, you know, playing with it in store.

Jeff Battersby (19m 15s)

The way that I normally hold the phone the way that I normally take pictures that makes a lot of sense for me to be able to control it underneath, you know, with my left thumb, and then take a picture with my right forefinger.

Jeff Battersby (19m 27s)

Using the, using the, the action button on top.

Jeff Battersby (19m 31s)

So, yeah, I, I have not seen nothing, nothing that I can see that would be problematic for me in the way that it's set up.

Jeff Battersby (19m 43s)

So, I don't, I don't really know and you've now gotten an action button or are you using it for anything yet. Have you set it up to do.

Action Button

Tom Anderson (19m 49s)

So, it's funny, I posted threads there last weekend about that and I thought I would get like six comments.

Tom Anderson (19m 58s)

It ended up being like 350 comments on the action button.

Jeff Battersby (20m 1s)

Oh my gosh, Mr. Popular.

Tom Anderson (20m 3s)

I was like, "Oh, boy."

Tom Anderson (20m 5s)

So algorithms, man.

Jeff Battersby (20m 8s)

Almost 400, I'm looking at it now, with 560.

Tom Anderson (20m 9s)

Yeah, but that was great because there were a lot of ideas there and I'm going to actually I think I'm going to pin that and I'll put it in.

Tom Anderson (20m 19s)

show notes too, because if anybody that's got a new phone or even has a 15 pro series that's got the action button, if you've kind of been wondering, you know, what you could use that for, there were a lot of great ideas there. And some of them, you know, I just use it like it was intended,

Tom Anderson (20m 34s)

it's silent button, or I've switched it to be the flashlight or the torch, depending on where you are. And then, but I think where I'm going to land is with shortcuts. And I have a shortcuts folder

Tom Anderson (20m 49s)

that's got, you know, six or eight different shortcuts in it that I can run. I've been testing that with a couple of simple ones. Like I've got one that just opens the car app so I can start the car up and blah, blah, blah. And we'll see if it sticks. I don't know if it will or not. I want to go back through that list on that thread post to look for some more ideas that may get me thinking.

Tom Anderson (21m 11s)

And there were some videos that were shared in there too. Steven Robles did a nice video for that with a whole bunch of ideas.

Tom Anderson (21m 19s)

So that's in that post.

Tom Anderson (21m 20s)

So I'll put out that post in the show notes.

Tom Anderson (21m 22s)

And if you're into action button ideas,

Tom Anderson (21m 25s)

that's pretty much a goldmine, I think.

Jeff Battersby (21m 27s)

Yeah, right now. I just was just scrolling through it. There's a lot of stuff there

Tom Anderson (21m 29s)

It was nuts.

Tom Anderson (21m 30s)

I was like, oh boy.

Tom Anderson (21m 32s)

So yeah, I think I'll use it.

Tom Anderson (21m 35s)

I'm just not sure where I'm going to stick with it yet.

Tom Anderson (21m 38s)

And I do want to say real quick though,

Tom Anderson (21m 40s)

back to the camera control button,

Jeff Battersby (21m 41s)

Mm-hmm.

Tom Anderson (21m 41s)

Apple's case works great with it,

Tom Anderson (21m 44s)

with the button that they have.

Tom Anderson (21m 46s)

And that was something that was the reason.

Tom Anderson (21m 49s)

The reason I got the silicone case from Apple was wasn't sure what third parties were going to do because the camera control button, of course, was announced at the event, and so a lot of them for now I have kind of defaulted to cutouts.

Jeff Battersby (22m 2s)

Right, which means your finger has to dip in pretty deep to be able to get to.

Tom Anderson (22m 5s)

Right, right, and the Apple case for it is very responsive, like I don't really notice much difference between the case and not having the case on, so I think they did a nice job with it, so if that's something you're.

Tom Anderson (22m 19s)

Thinking about or have concerns about, and we'll see what the third parties do. I don't know. I think it'll be interesting. I don't know. Like, you know, I don't know how hard it is to make a button as a third party that does what that button does. I don't know. And it's how much would it increase the cost of their case or chew into their margins or whatever the case may be. No pun intended there, but so yeah, those are the buttons.

Jeff Battersby (22m 29s)

laughs Right.

Jeff Battersby (22m 39s)

right. Cool. Cool. And so you're, you've been using it for a while. What's the display like?

Display, Photographic Styles, and More

Tom Anderson (22m 49s)

The display is great. It is noticeable with the, you know, they've trimmed the bezels down even more. Uh, and so I put it next to the 14 pro. My wife has 14 pro max put it next to those and it is noticeable side by side. And even when, if you're not comparing it to anything,

Tom Anderson (23m 6s)

I mean, it's a very, very thin bezel along the sides, which is, which is very nice. And just having the big display, you know, I've, I've enjoyed that so far because I'm getting older.

Tom Anderson (23m 17s)

or it's hard to see.

Jeff Battersby (23m 18s)

I can recommend cataract surgery, I'll tell you that right now.

Tom Anderson (23m 19s)

So having things, the buttons are a little bigger.

Tom Anderson (23m 22s)

[LAUGH] Gee thanks, start a GoFundMe if you guys want to help me with that.

Jeff Battersby (23m 27s)

Yeah, you're welcome.

Tom Anderson (23m 30s)

But no, the display is great, battery life, phenomenal.

Tom Anderson (23m 35s)

And I'm only charging it up to like 80, 85%.

Jeff Battersby (23m 37s)

are you using the feature that it just does it automatically as you turn that on under battery?

Tom Anderson (23m 43s)

I did. I don't know if I'm going to leave it on, but I thought I'll try it and see because I'm not getting anywhere near running out of the battery in a day. Like if I charge it to 80% or 85 in the evening, say take it off the charger at nine o'clock, you know, by the time I get home from work, you know, it's probably still 50 plus. So it's like, eh, you know, I'm not really taxing it that much. So we'll see.

Jeff Battersby (24m 4s)

Yeah

Jeff Battersby (24m 10s)

Yeah, that's that features great And that will you know it charges it up to 80% most of the time and then maybe on the order once a month it charges It to full same thing happens by the way with your your Apple watch

Tom Anderson (24m 21s)

Yeah, and they put a setting in there where you can adjust that too.

Jeff Battersby (24m 21s)

Yeah Yeah, that's what I was asking if you did that if you turn it on

Tom Anderson (24m 25s)

Yeah, so you can do 80, 85, 90, and I think I set it at 85.

Tom Anderson (24m 28s)

It was just some random thing.

Tom Anderson (24m 29s)

I chose no science behind that.

Tom Anderson (24m 31s)

But real quick, I will say something I've been fooling around with.

Tom Anderson (24m 35s)

A little bit of picture taking that I've been able to do are the new photographic styles on the 16s.

Jeff Battersby (24m 41s)

You sent me a stunning black and white from that the other day and now I like to shoot in black and white that's you know I would yeah so it has me looking at a maybe I want maybe I need this phone I don't but yeah no doubt but it's it really is it was gorgeous It's the picture that you sent me.

Tom Anderson (24m 43s)

And that's been fun.

Tom Anderson (24m 44s)

I like that, you know, it's.

Tom Anderson (24m 52s)

Yeah, I know you do. And I was like, oh, he might like that one.

Tom Anderson (25m 3s)

It'll be there next year or the year after.

Jeff Battersby (25m 11s)

It's amazing in terms of the quality.

Jeff Battersby (25m 13s)

I have gone so far as to look at handheld black and white digital cameras.

Jeff Battersby (25m 21s)

That's all they do.

Jeff Battersby (25m 22s)

They're a little pricey, so I'm not going to be doing that, but this feature I would love.

Jeff Battersby (25m 29s)

And is it more than one black and white photographic style, or is it one photographic style that's

Tom Anderson (25m 34s)

They have I believe there are two, two black and white, and then I want to say maybe eight other options that you can have. And so you can do tone, you can do the color saturation and stuff like that. But it's kind of cool because when you take the when you choose the photographic style that you want to use, there's a little touchpad that shows up at the bottom of the in the camera app, and you can kind of slide that around. It adjusts some of the properties of the I'll call I call it a filter for lack of.

Jeff Battersby (25m 56s)

Yeah, I saw that in the screenshot. What does that do?

Tom Anderson (26m 4s)

The style is applying and so you can adjust like the tone and things like that within the

Tom Anderson (26m 12s)

frame before you take the shot. And you can go in after because they're capturing that data now

Tom Anderson (26m 16s)

in the image pipeline. You can go in after when you're editing the picture and you can change things up to the different styles if you want to. So I've been having fun with that and you know is it as good as if you really sat there and dialed all the settings in manually? I have no idea.

Tom Anderson (26m 34s)

That picture I sent you literally was spur of the moment and it was for an Instagram thing. I just took it, boom, posted it. Then when I looked at it a little later I was surprised how it turned out. I was like, "Wow, actually it's not bad." Yeah.

Jeff Battersby (26m 44s)

Yeah, detail on it and the raindrops on the car,

Jeff Battersby (26m 48s)

everything was really, it was really pretty slick.

Jeff Battersby (26m 51s)

Um, I was going to ask it.

Jeff Battersby (26m 53s)

Oh, I was going to ask another question about that.

Jeff Battersby (26m 56s)

And now I've slipped off the deep end and can't remember what it was.

Jeff Battersby (27m)

I'll remember it in a second.

Jeff Battersby (27m 2s)

The ability to be able to do that though,

Jeff Battersby (27m 5s)

I think is, is a nice feature.

Jeff Battersby (27m 6s)

Here's what I was going to ask.

Jeff Battersby (27m 7s)

I knew if I talked about the photos for a second longer,

Jeff Battersby (27m 9s)

my brain would kick back in and I'd be here to talk about it.

Jeff Battersby (27m 14s)

It looks like they have, one of those,

Jeff Battersby (27m 17s)

one of those settings is something similar to Halide's process zero where it's,

Jeff Battersby (27m 24s)

I've seen a lot of, a lot of photographs.

Jeff Battersby (27m 27s)

Maybe even Chris Freytag was one of the ones that, that did that where,

Jeff Battersby (27m 31s)

and maybe we should get him on to talk a little more about,

Jeff Battersby (27m 34s)

about the photography piece of that.

Jeff Battersby (27m 36s)

But it looks like there's the option not to over process your photos when you take them.

Jeff Battersby (27m 44s)

Have you ever looked at that or played with that at all?

Tom Anderson (27m 45s)

I have not.

Jeff Battersby (27m 48s)

Okay, that's one of the things I really like about Halide now is,

Jeff Battersby (27m 51s)

and that's the only way I shoot with that,

Jeff Battersby (27m 53s)

is it, it doesn't,

Jeff Battersby (27m 55s)

it doesn't do the same amount of processing as might normally be the case when you're taking a photograph.

Jeff Battersby (28m 1s)

And I don't know, I don't know.

Tom Anderson (28m 1s)

Is that in the styles or is that in the camera settings?

Tom Anderson (28m 4s)

Do you know?

Tom Anderson (28m 6s)

Okay.

Tom Anderson (28m 6s)

'Cause one of the photographic styles they have is neutral,

Tom Anderson (28m 9s)

but I think, again, I think that's just tone and color.

Jeff Battersby (28m 12s)

I think that's a filter.

Jeff Battersby (28m 14s)

Yeah, now there's some option similar.

Tom Anderson (28m 14s)

Yeah, it was more just kind of eh.

Jeff Battersby (28m 17s)

It seems like it's similar to process zero where it's not, you know,

Jeff Battersby (28m 21s)

brightening the greens and the reds and all that kind of stuff, which look pretty, but, you know, can be a little overdone recently.

Jeff Battersby (28m 29s)

You know, so much, so much about photography and phone is about, you know, the, the computational capabilities of those phones and what they can do.

Tom Anderson (28m 39s)

Yeah, so there are 15 photographic styles and then inside each of those with that

Tom Anderson (28m 44s)

touchpad there and a little slider underneath you can adjust the properties for the tone and the palette and color. Yeah, so it's pretty nice. I think it, you know, it simplifies a lot of that for people who want to stylistically play with their photographs, right? Say,

Tom Anderson (28m 58s)

maybe make it look the way I want to a little easier and have some fun with it without having to dig too deep into settings.

Tom Anderson (29m 9s)

You got all those slider options you can choose for brilliance and saturation and everything,

Jeff Battersby (29m 14s)

Yeah, and also and the filters, too, for black and white, which is usually I do a two-step process.

Tom Anderson (29m 14s)

which are still there if you want to do that, but right.

Jeff Battersby (29m 20s)

I usually take a photo, go in, use Apple's black and white, and then I was for a long time using Pixelmator, what was it, Pixelmator?

Tom Anderson (29m 31s)

Yeah, they've got a lot, one of theirs.

Jeff Battersby (29m 33s)

They've come up with so many of them, I can't remember, like there's-- anyway, they have PhotoMator now is the one that it is, but you can-- I would then go in and make some adjustments in that as well to kind of

Jeff Battersby (29m 44s)

bring out the blacks in a way that I wanted to bring out the blacks and handle it that way.

Jeff Battersby (29m 49s)

So it was a couple-step process, but the fact that you can take black and white in-camera straight out to me, that would be a feature I'd be using all the time.

Tom Anderson (29m 59s)

Yep, yeah, and I haven't done anything with video. I just don't shoot a lot of video really

Tom Anderson (30m 4s)

so, you know, they did the the 4k 120 with Dolby and

Tom Anderson (30m 8s)

Did the sound mix stuff that you can do after you record with changing, you know Going from studio mix to cinematic mix and those types of things. I did it I did one just talking to myself just to see what the effects were but

Jeff Battersby (30m 11s)

Mm-hmm, yeah, the audio settings.

Tom Anderson (30m 22s)

But that's pretty nice. Like I might end up using that for some stuff eventually, but I just don't do it

Jeff Battersby (30m 27s)

And you're still on the main version you're not on the on the beta of the of iOS on that, right?

Tom Anderson (30m 34s)

Yeah, I haven't updated to the beta on that yet.

Jeff Battersby (30m 36s)

Yeah, there's some nice stuff in the beta that I'm playing with you know it I'm in 15-1 now

Jeff Battersby (30m 42s)

And I think that's what it is these numbers

Tom Anderson (30m 46s)

No, I wish they were all the same.

Jeff Battersby (30m 48s)

155.1

Tom Anderson (30m 49s)

The watch is 11, the max 15, iOS stuff, 7, 18.

Jeff Battersby (30m 52s)

Whatever the number is yeah

Tom Anderson (30m 54s)

Sorry.

Tom Anderson (30m 54s)

So yeah, we just talked about that, but.

Jeff Battersby (30m 57s)

Yeah, no idea anyway I I am in the in the beta that has some of the AI features I fooled around with a transcription feature that's built into notes now

Jeff Battersby (31m 8s)

so you capture audio a little bit of the summarization features that are built into that so a

Jeff Battersby (31m 14s)

There's there's some good stuff in that beta to be interesting to see when you get that version

Jeff Battersby (31m 20s)

And there's a lot of complaining going on

Jeff Battersby (31m 24s)

I'm giving you something that you can't even use the AI on yet.

Jeff Battersby (31m 27s)

Yes, you're right, it didn't ship with the AI features, but they are close at hand, based on the betas that I've been using, we're not far away from being able to use some of this stuff.

Tom Anderson (31m 41s)

Yeah, I think that's next month, October sometime for the start.

Jeff Battersby (31m 43s)

Yeah.

Tom Anderson (31m 45s)

And like, that's just a handful of the features and then the rest of trickle out.

Jeff Battersby (31m 48s)

Yeah, I think, if we want to talk about OSs, and you know we don't spend a lot of time on this in this particular moment, but you...

New Operating Systems

Jeff Battersby (31m 58s)

I was sending you some stuff about, you know, a battle going on between Gurman and Castellini and Twitter and kind of this back and forth about, "Oh, we need to have this, we don't need to have this."

Jeff Battersby (32m 8s)

But you brought up a rather important point, which is the M4 iPad, the flagship iPad, can't currently run a good version of the OS without bricking them.

Tom Anderson (32m 22s)

Yeah, that was, that has been strange.

Tom Anderson (32m 25s)

Like it's not the first time and OS has come out and caused problems and Apple's had to pull it back, you know, mistakes happen, but it's been interesting that they have not put out, they haven't re released it and it looks like 18.1

Jeff Battersby (32m 33s)

It's almost a month.

Tom Anderson (32m 37s)

will be when they do that.

Tom Anderson (32m 39s)

I, you know, no one's told me that, but we're well into the 18.1 public betas, uh, or beta developer betas too.

Jeff Battersby (32m 45s)

Right. Yeah.

Tom Anderson (32m 47s)

But so maybe that's just what they're going to do, which is.

Jeff Battersby (32m 52s)

Disappointing. Yeah, it's disappointing.

Tom Anderson (32m 53s)

Very interesting. Yeah, I mean, OK.

Jeff Battersby (32m 55s)

If you're someone with one of those devices and you can't use it.

Tom Anderson (33m 1s)

Right. And just the M4, like I put it on my M2, didn't have any problem.

Jeff Battersby (33m 2s)

Yeah, right. Yeah, you would think that they would have that right coming out of the box.

Tom Anderson (33m 5s)

And so it's just for the M4, which is very peculiar, but.

Tom Anderson (33m 13s)

Mm hmm.

Jeff Battersby (33m 14s)

All right.

Jeff Battersby (33m 15s)

Great.

Jeff Battersby (33m 16s)

Any other questions from you?

Jeff Battersby (33m 18s)

You played with the Apple Watch update.

Tom Anderson (33m 21s)

I did, yeah, I got the Apple Watch update installed, no problems there.

Tom Anderson (33m 25s)

I like it, I find, here's something, so we had the Stacks feature before, and Apple kind of came out and said, "Oh, the Smart Stacks are even better than they were before with timely updates," and I have found that to be true.

Jeff Battersby (33m 30s)

Yeah.

Tom Anderson (33m 37s)

How about you?

Jeff Battersby (33m 38s)

Oh, I love it.

Tom Anderson (33m 38s)

Yeah, I think it's great.

Jeff Battersby (33m 40s)

It's, yeah, the fact that it pops up stuff or surfaces things that are, you know, that I need to see now, you know, three or four things.

Jeff Battersby (33m 49s)

There's not a lot of things in the stack, you know, usually a soccer game score, you know, maybe a text message or two that's there and a couple of other things.

Jeff Battersby (33m 57s)

So yeah, that, I'm with you, I really like that a lot, those stacks are nice.

Jeff Battersby (34m 2s)

And the UI change that it makes, you still get your watch face.

Jeff Battersby (34m 7s)

I put on last--

Jeff Battersby (34m 8s)

last week, one of the new watch faces--

Jeff Battersby (34m 12s)

not the one that everybody's in love with,

Jeff Battersby (34m 14s)

that I'm not in love with.

Tom Anderson (34m 15s)

The flux is the one that, yeah, I was going to go flux around and find out, but well,

Jeff Battersby (34m 15s)

There's-- what's that?

Jeff Battersby (34m 18s)

Yeah, the Flux Capacitor.

Jeff Battersby (34m 20s)

It's a Flux Capacitor.

Jeff Battersby (34m 25s)

You're more charming than I am.

Jeff Battersby (34m 27s)

But it keeps the little-- it keeps the watch face on the side, you know, it keeps that look.

Jeff Battersby (34m 31s)

The new one, I don't even know what the name of it is.

Jeff Battersby (34m 34s)

I would have to pull out my--

Tom Anderson (34m 36s)

Is that the illuminance, or?

Jeff Battersby (34m 38s)

it's really pretty, like you turn your watch around,

Jeff Battersby (34m 41s)

and it kind of--

Jeff Battersby (34m 42s)

the colors on the watch face change.

Jeff Battersby (34m 45s)

I really, really like it a lot.

Jeff Battersby (34m 48s)

But when something important pops up,

Jeff Battersby (34m 52s)

that new feature makes it so it's really easy to see both your watch face and then anything else that you need to do.

Jeff Battersby (34m 58s)

So I do enjoy it quite a bit.

Tom Anderson (35m 2s)

Yeah, and where that has really been great is with the Apple Sports app.

Tom Anderson (35m 9s)

So if you remember when Apple Sports came out, we were like, Oh, that's kind of plain,

Jeff Battersby (35m 9s)

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Tom Anderson (35m 15s)

but they've, they've made some updates and it's, it's, it's gotten better, but it now has live activity support and you can track more than one game.

Jeff Battersby (35m 21s)

Yes. If you can.

Tom Anderson (35m 26s)

And so what I liked on Sunday was I had a couple of games queued up and I like on.

Tom Anderson (35m 33s)

It goes to that smart stack view, but then when something big happens, like if someone scores, gives you a little feedback and you look and you're like, Oh, check that out.

Tom Anderson (35m 43s)

And being able to track multiple ones was, was nice.

Tom Anderson (35m 45s)

So that that's a pretty sweet combo for keeping tabs.

Tom Anderson (35m 49s)

Cause I don't get to watch too many sporting events.

Tom Anderson (35m 53s)

It just takes too much time, but I do like keep tabs on it still.

Tom Anderson (35m 56s)

So that that's working out pretty well.

Jeff Battersby (35m 58s)

Yep, I got two soccer games showing up on here right now really good photographs current weather log by state of mind and then

Tom Anderson (36m 6s)

I got that too.

Jeff Battersby (36m 8s)

Need to get Joe Moyer on again so we can talk about

Jeff Battersby (36m 11s)

about Journaling in in that which we were supposed to have him for

Tom Anderson (36m 12s)

Right.

Tom Anderson (36m 16s)

Right, yeah, he will be coming back for that.

Jeff Battersby (36m 17s)

and You you made a note about the timers app. It's back to where you like it

Tom Anderson (36m 23s)

It is. Yeah. If you recall, but if longtime listeners made to

Tom Anderson (36m 28s)

when watch OS 10 came out, there was I did a lot of griping on

Jeff Battersby (36m 32s)

fart What?

Tom Anderson (36m 32s)

our episode about the timers app. They just made some changes

Tom Anderson (36m 36s)

seem to make a whole lot of sense, like with the interface and all that. And so they've corrected most of those, I still like the look of it in watch OS nine, I think it just visually with the contrast with the boulder type, and I think the color might have been a little brighter on some of the UI pieces, I just thought it looked better. But, you know, they, in watch OS 11, they put their, they brought favorites back, or four and ten, it was just recents.

Tom Anderson (37m 6s)

That always irritated me because, as I said before, I typically use the timers app during a workout. It's different intervals in between sets, like rest periods. It could be 90 seconds,

Tom Anderson (37m 17s)

it could be two minutes, it could be 30. Those are what I had as my favorites before.

Tom Anderson (37m 24s)

But when recents came out, if I had done a 10-minute timer for something that was cooking or whatever, it busted up my list and I'd have to putz around with it. But they've brought it back.

Tom Anderson (37m 33s)

True Apple style, they don't call them favorites.

Tom Anderson (37m 36s)

Because, well, gee, we should have not taken away the favorites.

Tom Anderson (37m 39s)

They're called pinned.

Tom Anderson (37m 40s)

And so but they're back.

Jeff Battersby (37m 43s)

Okay, good, good.

Tom Anderson (37m 43s)

So at least you can do that. So that was good.

Jeff Battersby (37m 45s)

All right, and finally, Vision OS.

Tom Anderson (37m 49s)

What about it?

Jeff Battersby (37m 50s)

Did you update?

Jeff Battersby (37m 51s)

Have you used it?

Tom Anderson (37m 54s)

I did. I updated it.

Jeff Battersby (37m 54s)

Come on, don't be evasive, pal.

Tom Anderson (37m 56s)

No updated.

Jeff Battersby (37m 57s)

This is not our first date.

Tom Anderson (37m 58s)

Well, I'm trying to keep the romance alive, man.

Tom Anderson (38m 3s)

I did update. No problems updating.

Tom Anderson (38m 6s)

Gestures for going back to the home screen and for control center are a welcome addition.

Tom Anderson (38m 13s)

The Bora Bora environment looks nice.

Jeff Battersby (38m 16s)

Mm-hmm good. How's that football?

Tom Anderson (38m 19s)

OK, looks nice. Great.

Jeff Battersby (38m 20s)

Yeah. [Laughter]

Tom Anderson (38m 24s)

Yeah. And so, yeah, that's Vision OS 2.

Tom Anderson (38m 29s)

So the pain points for me are still there.

Tom Anderson (38m 34s)

two big ones.

Tom Anderson (38m 36s)

need some kind of an app switcher. So if I've got, yeah, and I know that can, that's going to take some thinking, I guess, because of the spatial nature of it, because, well, what if the safari window is out in the kitchen, and you're in the living room with this and you switch to safari, should it switch to where you are? That would be great. That would would be worth the price, but so that, and then it's.

Jeff Battersby (38m 39s)

Okay.

Jeff Battersby (38m 51s)

Mmm.

Jeff Battersby (38m 57s)

Or should it lift your body up and carry you into the kitchen?

Tom Anderson (39m 6s)

still doesn't maintain the window state positions when it reboots.

Tom Anderson (39m 10s)

And if the battery runs out, it shuts down.

Tom Anderson (39m 12s)

And so when it shuts down, that's a reboot.

Tom Anderson (39m 14s)

So you lose all of your, your placements.

Tom Anderson (39m 16s)

Uh, and I mentioned to you.

Tom Anderson (39m 19s)

And this, I don't know how many people notice this or pay attention to it, this could just be me, but I must look around a lot when I'm using like my Mac or my iPad, just at things that are on the screen.

Jeff Battersby (39m 32s)

Uh-huh.

Tom Anderson (39m 32s)

And I think in life we just do that, right?

Tom Anderson (39m 34s)

because it's kind of part of him.

Jeff Battersby (39m 34s)

Right.

Tom Anderson (39m 36s)

Stay aware of what's going on for thousands of years, right?

Jeff Battersby (39m 39s)

Right.

Tom Anderson (39m 39s)

And it's their survival thing.

Tom Anderson (39m 41s)

And so they're just constantly glancing around.

Tom Anderson (39m 44s)

Day to day, you don't really notice it because that's just what you do.

Tom Anderson (39m 48s)

In Vision OS, that looking around,

Tom Anderson (39m 50s)

it's lighting up UI elements and the sounds.

Tom Anderson (39m 52s)

They're going do-do-do, do-do-do-do-do-do-do.

Tom Anderson (39m 54s)

And I'm like, "God, I'm about to lock up here."

Tom Anderson (39m 59s)

So that might just be a me thing.

Tom Anderson (40m 2s)

I don't know how many people,

Tom Anderson (40m 3s)

and I've looked at the settings.

Tom Anderson (40m 4s)

I didn't see anything obvious to tone.

Tom Anderson (40m 6s)

that down, but I may have missed it.

Tom Anderson (40m 7s)

So I don't want to say it's not there.

Tom Anderson (40m 9s)

It could just be me not knowing which settings to do.

Tom Anderson (40m 12s)

Uh, so yeah.

Jeff Battersby (40m 15s)

All right, hopefully you get some joy out of that.

Tom Anderson (40m 18s)

Yeah, I'm just wanting, you know, to really, yeah, we won't belabor the point, but it's just still amazes me till this day, you know, Apple couldn't convince alphabet to hit a checkbox on the YouTube iPad app to make it available.

Tom Anderson (40m 33s)

I don't even need a native app.

Tom Anderson (40m 34s)

Just give me the iPad app.

Jeff Battersby (40m 35s)

right, right. Yeah, it seems obvious. What do I do?

Tom Anderson (40m 36s)

It's like, yeah, kick them some money.

Tom Anderson (40m 37s)

Come on, do it.

Tom Anderson (40m 38s)

Do it because it, here's what I was thinking about this the other day.

Tom Anderson (40m 43s)

And then we'll wrap it up.

Tom Anderson (40m 44s)

Cause most people don't care about this thing, but, um, you know how we've gotten so used to having the internet.

Tom Anderson (40m 51s)

And so when the internet goes out of your house and you open your laptop,

Tom Anderson (40m 54s)

you're like, what am I going to use this for?

Tom Anderson (40m 56s)

You can't do anything.

Tom Anderson (40m 58s)

And that's kind of how the vision pro feels.

Tom Anderson (41m 1s)

You put it on and it's like, well, there's very little that's specific.

Tom Anderson (41m 6s)

to the Vision Pro because the big native apps aren't there.

Tom Anderson (41m 10s)

There's no YouTube, no Netflix app.

Tom Anderson (41m 12s)

There's no NFL app.

Tom Anderson (41m 13s)

There you continue on down the list.

Tom Anderson (41m 16s)

Media, I think is probably better,

Tom Anderson (41m 20s)

but it still feels like, okay, well, I'm here,

Tom Anderson (41m 22s)

but there's not a lot going on.

Tom Anderson (41m 24s)

And it's like that internet connection is down.

Tom Anderson (41m 26s)

It's like, what's to entice me to do that?

Jeff Battersby (41m 27s)

Yeah, okay

Tom Anderson (41m 28s)

And I think that the blame for that goes back to Apple.

Tom Anderson (41m 33s)

I just don't think they've done enough to keep people excited about it.

Tom Anderson (41m 36s)

And I know it's a very small product line, right?

Tom Anderson (41m 39s)

Now, I know they're not selling millions of these like they do, they're the big products.

Tom Anderson (41m 43s)

But at the same time, they knew this thing was coming out.

Tom Anderson (41m 47s)

You'd think they would have a little bit more stuff and maybe they planned it and it just hasn't worked out.

Tom Anderson (41m 52s)

I don't know, but we'll see.

Tom Anderson (41m 54s)

There's apparently a new one coming in 2025.

Tom Anderson (41m 58s)

So, see how long it lives.

Jeff Battersby (41m 59s)

We'll see. Let's see if it's as small as the new Meta beer goggles.

Tom Anderson (42m 3s)

The Lego glasses.

Jeff Battersby (42m 3s)

Yeah. We'll see. All right. We've burned up another 40 minutes of your day. We appreciate that everybody's decided to come and have a little chat with us as we chat with each other about nothing. Unlike Seinfeld, we're not that funny. But anyway, thanks for coming [laughing]

Close

Tom Anderson (42m 25s)

I know you do, you tell me, "Hey I listened again, it was pretty good."

Jeff Battersby (42m 29s)  

• I like listening to it, I will say that.

Jeff Battersby (42m 33s)

Yeah, well, I always listened.

Tom Anderson (42m 33s)

I was like, "Okay."

Jeff Battersby (42m 35s)

Listen to make sure that somebody listens.

Jeff Battersby (42m 39s)

No, we really are grateful.

Jeff Battersby (42m 41s)

There are many of you actually now listening.

Jeff Battersby (42m 43s)

Last couple of episodes,

Jeff Battersby (42m 45s)

we've had over 100 people listen to the show.

Tom Anderson (42m 51s)

That's great. We do appreciate it.

Jeff Battersby (42m 51s)

And yeah, we're really grateful.

Jeff Battersby (42m 53s)

So thanks very much.

Jeff Battersby (42m 55s)

As a reminder, show music,

Jeff Battersby (42m 57s)

Psychokinetics.

Jeff Battersby (42m 59s)

our podcast artwork, those cute little robots, Randall Martin Design.

Jeff Battersby (43m 5s)

And, uh, that's us, Tom, I think.

Tom Anderson (43m 8s)

That is all right, so thank you so much for spending time with us and until next episode Have a great rest of your day rest of your night, and we will see you then

Jeff Battersby (43m 18s)

See ya.

Outro Music (43m 19s)

♪ I don't wanna know about your imperfections, dude ♪ ♪ Prefer to leave you on a pedestal so I'll improve ♪ ♪ 'Cause if I'm finding out you're normal ♪ ♪ Then I'm just like you ♪ ♪ That gon' smash my whole world, lost in illusion ♪