Shareshot with Marc Palmer

Intro

Jeff Battersby (0s)

We screwed it up.

Tom Anderson (0s)

What a surprise. [laughs]

Jeff Battersby (2s)

Yeah, right.

Tom Anderson (9s)

Hello everyone, and welcome to another episode of Basic AF.

Intro music (10s)

♪ I don't wanna know about your imperfections, too ♪

Tom Anderson (11s)

Tom Anderson joined as always by Jeff Battersby, also known for this episode as the COVID kid.

Tom Anderson (17s)

Hello, Jeff.

Jeff Battersby (18s)

"Hello, Tom. I'm good. I am dealing with the ravages of COVID for the third time, and I'm okay. I am okay. Not dead yet."

Tom Anderson (28s)

I'd like to hear that.

Jeff Battersby (29s)

Yeah, same. And we've also got a guest. We've got a new gentleman who has put out a new app who's going to class up this podcast because he has an English accent.

Hello, Marc Palmer!

Jeff Battersby (46s)

Mark Palmer, welcome to the show.

Jeff Battersby (48s)

The Basic AF Show.

Marc Palmer (50s)

Hi Jeff, hi Tom, thanks for having me on.

Jeff Battersby (54s)

We just got sexy, is what we did.

Tom Anderson (56s)

Well, Mark, thank you so much for joining us,

Jeff Battersby (56s)

We got the English voice and now we're fancy.

Marc Palmer (1m)

I'm not so sure about that.

Tom Anderson (1m 9s)

and we're very happy to have you here.

Tom Anderson (1m 11s)

We want to talk about the ShareShot app,

Tom Anderson (1m 13s)

which we talked about last episode,

Tom Anderson (1m 15s)

that was in our app updates that we did there,

Tom Anderson (1m 19s)

and so we thought it would be great to have you on and talk about that,

Tom Anderson (1m 21s)

because we think it's a really great app,

Tom Anderson (1m 23s)

and so we'd like to hear the story behind it,

Tom Anderson (1m 24s)

get to know you a bit more.

Tom Anderson (1m 26s)

As always, thanks for watching.

Marc Palmer (1m 28s)

Great, thank you.

Jeff Battersby (1m 28s)

do love it. Paying customer. I'm a paying customer. And I wanted to also point out,

Jeff Battersby (1m 34s)

somebody busted my chops, Tom. This is actually just an hour or so ago, somebody was listening to the last episode, episode 42 of The Basic AF Show, and they said that we missed a chance.

Jeff Battersby (1m 53s)

I've never read this book, but 42 apparently is a big number in Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy,

Jeff Battersby (1m 59s)

so Mark is shaking his head like, yeah, there you go. And so apparently I need to read that book.

Tom Anderson (2m 7s)

It was a blown opportunity. Man, what a surprise.

Jeff Battersby (2m 8s)

We screwed it up. We screwed it up. Yeah, right. That's an everyday thing for us. Every episode is a screw up. So anyway, thanks for busting my chops. It's my friend of mine that keeps me in in line. So thank you. Yes, yeah, definitely do.

Jeff Battersby (2m 29s)

So let's dive right into it.

Jeff Battersby (2m 33s)

We wanna talk about you, Mark, and your app, ShareShot,

Jeff Battersby (2m 38s)

that we love a lot, both Tom and I love a lot.

Jeff Battersby (2m 41s)

It's a great, great little tool.

Jeff Battersby (2m 44s)

But why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself,

Jeff Battersby (2m 46s)

who you are, and how you came to put this great little app?

Marc’s Story

Marc Palmer (2m 50s)

Sure, thanks. Well, I've been around for a long time, as you can probably see.

Marc Palmer (2m 58s)

Listeners can't. But yeah, you know, I'm one of those kids who had a Sinclair Spectrum at home,

Jeff Battersby (2m 58s)

Soapweed, don't worry about it.

Marc Palmer (3m 6s)

BBC Micro, the English starter computers. So I've been doing it since I was very young.

Marc Palmer (3m 13s)

And through a whole bunch of contracting jobs, doing web staff, all that kind of thing,

Marc Palmer (3m 20s)

ended up in 2013 getting the opportunity to switch to iOS development. I'd wanted to do it for a long time. And I had a contract fell through, but they still had to pay me. And I had an operation. So I had a lot of time at home. So I spent six months just getting my first app together. Yeah, that's how I got going with iOS development, at least. The first app was called Soundproof. It was

Jeff Battersby (3m 43s)

What was that first step?

Marc Palmer (3m 49s)

an app for

Marc Palmer (3m 50s)

practicing playing music along with songs, you know, so a looping audio player essentially

Marc Palmer (3m 56s)

With some some nice simple UI big control so you could use it from a distance, you know that kind of thing

Marc Palmer (4m 2s)

And I had no idea about selling apps. So I made no money

Jeff Battersby (4m 6s)

Yeah, right. We make a lot of no money fast. We're great at it. Yeah, exactly right.

Tom Anderson (4m 8s)

It's like this podcast.

Tom Anderson (4m 11s)

We're good at that.

Jeff Battersby (4m 15s)

So, are you a musician as well, then? Is it?

Marc Palmer (4m 17s)

Uh, I wouldn't say that, no. I can play some guitar.

Marc Palmer (4m 21s)

My father was a musician who had some success, but then he also turned to computers, which is why we had them in the house.

Jeff Battersby (4m 30s)

Okay, interesting.

Marc Palmer (4m 32s)

I was very lucky.

Jeff Battersby (4m 33s)

Success anything we would know?

Marc Palmer (4m 34s)

Uh, no.

Marc Palmer (4m 37s)

I can point you to a YouTube link later of it being performed on top of the pops in the UK back in the 80s.

Marc Palmer (4m 46s)

'80s, but yeah, it's super cheesy.

Jeff Battersby (4m 47s)

Okay. All right. There you go. That's it. Yeah, right. Awesome.

Tom Anderson (4m 47s)

Oh, nice.

Tom Anderson (4m 48s)

Yeah.

Marc Palmer (4m 50s)

[laughs] Quite.

Tom Anderson (4m 51s)

Well, it's a lot of the eighties.

Jeff Battersby (4m 57s)

So, um, you, uh, you said that was 2013. You began, you began doing iOS development. And so you've worked on that music app.

Jeff Battersby (5m 9s)

Did you do any other apps in between?

Marc Palmer (5m 11s)

Yeah, I mean, really getting that app done was obviously something I wanted to do.

Marc Palmer (5m 16s)

It felt like it would be quick and easy.

Marc Palmer (5m 18s)

It wasn't, um, most of these things.

Marc Palmer (5m 21s)

Um, but it led to me getting contract work as an iOS developer.

Marc Palmer (5m 25s)

So from that point forward, I've been working commercially doing iOS work.

Marc Palmer (5m 30s)

Um, and then I had, uh, what do we do?

Marc Palmer (5m 33s)

Uh, oh yes, we had a, we made a fun little app, uh, uh, just because it made us laugh.

Marc Palmer (5m 40s)

it probably didn't make it nearly.

Marc Palmer (5m 42s)

We made a kind of insult generator app called Hobson, which is still in the App Store.

Marc Palmer (5m 47s)

And after, again, made no money with that.

Marc Palmer (5m 52s)

After that we made two years ago, the most recent app before ShareShot was Captionista,

Marc Palmer (6m)

which is still in the store and we're still working on that.

Marc Palmer (6m 3s)

That's a app for subtitling videos and captioning videos without having to do it, say, inside TikTok or Instagram.

Marc Palmer (6m 12s)

And it does not have AI transcription.

Marc Palmer (6m 15s)

It was designed especially for videos that don't have audio to transcribe, you know.

Marc Palmer (6m 19s)

So, developers like me who have to produce TikTok videos to promote apps tend not to like talking all over things.

Marc Palmer (6m 28s)

So, yeah. So, it's a different approach.

Marc Palmer (6m 31s)

Again, not particularly successful.

Marc Palmer (6m 33s)

More successful than the others, but we have work to do on that,

Marc Palmer (6m 37s)

and we will be putting some Apple transcription support into that at some point.

Jeff Battersby (6m 41s)

Oh, very cool. That's, that's excellent. By the way, I'm downloading Hobson as we speak, so

Marc Palmer (6m 41s)

Yeah, and so then... oh no, oh no! It's so dad humour, it really is. I know, and that's why we like it.

Jeff Battersby (6m 50s)

let me, let me see what we can, see what we can come up with.

Jeff Battersby (6m 57s)

That's great, that's right up my alley.

Tom Anderson (6m 58s)

Perfect.

Marc Palmer (7m 1s)

But that's from the screenshot, isn't it, in the app store. Yeah, I don't...

Jeff Battersby (7m 2s)

Frothing Ditch Wrangler.

Jeff Battersby (7m 7s)  

• Yeah.

Marc Palmer (7m 11s)

To be honest, I don't think he... he works so well on modern devices and OSes. He needs a bit of love.

Jeff Battersby (7m 16s)

That's pretty funny

Jeff Battersby (7m 18s)

That is a fun stuff I

Jeff Battersby (7m 21s)

Will I'll be playing with that and use it against Tom from now on. That'll be that'll be a good time. Yeah

Jeff Battersby (7m 27s)

All right. So the what was then you actually work on a in Tom was familiar with it. I'm not

Jeff Battersby (7m 33s)

But you work presently on another rather large

Jeff Battersby (7m 37s)

Must I would I would assume as part of your contract work large

Marc Palmer (7m 40s)

Yeah, sure. It's Concepts, the sketching and ideation app. It's a very popular app on the App Store. I've been a hired gun for them working on the iOS app for the last 5-6 years now. Really nice team and it's a really fantastic app. My issue with the app is that I can't

Jeff Battersby (7m 41s)

product what is in that is and what

Marc Palmer (8m 10s)

use the app. Luckily I don't work on those parts so much. But yeah, it's great. Over the last few years we've taken it from what used to be called a shoebox app where it didn't have documents. You'd create drawing documents but you couldn't see them anywhere except in the app. So then we made it use public document folder and then this year we shipped iCloud support, and that's all the kind of stuff that I work.

Marc Palmer (8m 40s)

on and continue to.

Tom Anderson (8m 41s)

nice Yeah, and that's one of those kind of infinite canvas apps for sketching and working through your ideas and things like

Marc Palmer (8m 46s)

Yes.

Marc Palmer (8m 50s)

Yeah, but it's interesting because it has real hidden depths. There's a lot behind the UI, and it can be a bit overwhelming at the start, or a bit confusing. But, you know,

Marc Palmer (9m 2s)

it's very popular, for example, with architects and designers because it has these features for for putting measurements on, it'll automatically measure the length of...

Marc Palmer (9m 10s)

...strokes and things like that and put the little labels on the canvas as well.

Marc Palmer (9m 14s)

So yeah, there's a lot of good stuff in there.

Tom Anderson (9m 18s)

Yeah, a lot of nice tools.

Jeff Battersby (9m 20s)

Very cool. So, ShareShot, how did that come to birth? What was it that made you think, by the way, very clever app, you can explain it to our audience, but it really is, it puts a nice wrapper around screenshots from various devices. What was it that led you to develop?

Shareshot App

Marc Palmer (9m 45s)

Thank you, first, for being so kind and for your enthusiasm for it, it's very much appreciated.

Marc Palmer (9m 51s)

Yes, it's a strange story in a way. It was almost exactly a year ago, to this day,

Marc Palmer (9m 59s)

that I saw a toot on Mastodon from somebody I follow and he posted a screenshot that was framed with a nice background behind it of something inconsequential, I think something his wife had said to him on a message. And something clicked in me and I asked him

Marc Palmer (10m 15s)

what app he used for that. And he told me. And I checked it out. And I hadn't really thought about sharing screenshots in that way in social media previously. But at the same time, working on my previous app, I'd been through all the pain of having to produce all the screenshots for the app store and for marketing, for your press kit. You need framed and unframed ones and all this stuff. And it's always been quite painful, even though There's a bunch of other options. I mean, you know Federico's

Marc Palmer (10m 45s)

Federico Faticci's framing app shortcuts are very good and there are other apps out there too but I wanted something that would enable me to batch process things say using shortcuts but then also use the same app to do the social sharing and not have to worry about it putting the screenshot into the wrong frames and distorting things or putting putting the wrong notch on and all this kind of stuff, you know, and that's...

Marc Palmer (11m 16s)

Those were the kind of limitations that I found with some of the apps out there that already existed because I know very well building your own app to solve a problem that's already been solved but in just a very slightly different way is not a great plan.

Marc Palmer (11m 32s)

So yeah, so I had some big ideas that I wanted to prove out with it.

Marc Palmer (11m 38s)

But essentially for the listeners who don't know what the app does,

Marc Palmer (11m 42s)

you can take any screenshot from your.

Marc Palmer (11m 46s)

So I'll rephrase that, you take a screenshot and then you can open the app and it'll automatically come up with that screenshot with usually the correct frame applied to it so that it's not just a bare screenshot, it actually looks more contextual in a real device.

Marc Palmer (12m 1s)

And it lets you put pretty backgrounds behind it and then you tap share and off it goes to wherever you need it to go.

Marc Palmer (12m 8s)

But then it also has quite a lot of shortcut support so you can create your own workflows that will batch frame screenshots.

Marc Palmer (12m 16s)

And then save them somewhere or send them somewhere.

Marc Palmer (12m 20s)

And we also have a share extension as well, but that's, yeah, there's a mixed bag with the share extension for OS memory.

Tom Anderson (12m 31s)

Yeah, and I think for me that this it's just so simple.

Tom Anderson (12m 36s)

And because it does grab that last screenshot and so prior I was using Federico's frame shortcut to to put these things together, used it for years and it was, you know, very thankful that he put that in and shared it with everybody.

Tom Anderson (12m 52s)

But I would then have to take it and then do something else before if you wanted to spruce it up, right?

Tom Anderson (12m 58s)

you would get the framed screenshot looked great, but.

Tom Anderson (13m 2s)

background to it or anything like that.

Tom Anderson (13m 5s)

And you want to spruce those up.

Tom Anderson (13m 7s)

I mean, most of my stuff is just to share on social media threads, whatever.

Tom Anderson (13m 11s)

I put it in my newsletter for each in the section where I mentioned the podcast episode, and it's it's so simple.

Tom Anderson (13m 17s)

And but it saved me, you know, 10 minutes here and there, which is great because it's tedious work that I don't like to do anyway, like

Tom Anderson (13m 25s)

to build those backgrounds and everything.

Tom Anderson (13m 27s)

And they look really nice.

Tom Anderson (13m 28s)

And they're not just a simple color.

Tom Anderson (13m 30s)

you've got some nice gradient.

Tom Anderson (13m 32s)

You can change the direction of the lighting.

Tom Anderson (13m 34s)

I think it's really, really well put together.

Jeff Battersby (13m 37s)

Yeah, definitely well thought out and

Jeff Battersby (13m 39s)

You can also change, you know, what color for example take a screenshot of the iPad

Jeff Battersby (13m 44s)

It knows first of all what iPad you have, you know what it is that you've taken a screenshot on So it's able to pull that up pretty quickly. You can change the color of the

Jeff Battersby (13m 59s)

and as Tom said and this is a really nice feature the the fact that you can change the direction of

Jeff Battersby (14m 10s)

No, I can't do math eight. Yeah, I can't do counting math. Yeah, you don't know great good

Marc Palmer (14m 11s)

Eight, I think, yeah I made it, I can't remember, it's the compass directions so I think there are eight, the general ones, there's eight of those, yeah.

Jeff Battersby (14m 20s)

Yeah Yeah, yeah So you can get sunlight coming or light coming from any one of those directions change the shading and the shadowing on it

Jeff Battersby (14m 28s)

Number of backgrounds it looks how many backgrounds. Do you ship this with it looks like a ton?

Marc Palmer (14m 33s)

I don't know it. I think it's about 30 at the moment

Marc Palmer (14m 38s)

Yeah, but I mean the I'm currently working on the next release in it The chances are that that will have some more enhancements to that I mean one of the things that we found out through doing this ironically is

Marc Palmer (14m 51s)

It's the backgrounds that are much more important interesting to people

Marc Palmer (14m 55s)

the all of the hard work to make the framing happen and there's quite a lot because we have some kind of

Marc Palmer (15m)

secret sauce going on in there

Marc Palmer (15m 3s)

that That is kind of by the by, you know, it's just yeah, of course, it's going to have the correct frame. Why wouldn't it?

Marc Palmer (15m 10s)

And it's all about the backgrounds for most people which was quite surprising

Jeff Battersby (15m 14s)

Yeah, that is interesting, but it also is what makes this kind of a

Jeff Battersby (15m 18s)

not kind of a cool app a very cool app is that you have the ability to

Jeff Battersby (15m 22s)

To it looks like you could even throw in some of your own backgrounds

Marc Palmer (15m 26s)

Yep, yep, you can do that.

Jeff Battersby (15m 27s)

so you've got

Jeff Battersby (15m 29s)

You've got the ability to do quite a lot. So, you know, if people are taking screenshots, they can brand the background

Jeff Battersby (15m 42s)

for companies that are trying to sell things,

Jeff Battersby (15m 45s)

you know, branding becomes an important piece of that.

Jeff Battersby (15m 49s)

So that's a great, a great little feature.

Jeff Battersby (15m 52s)

Now you keep on saying we, is it at,

Jeff Battersby (15m 54s)

are you doing this as yourself or are you multiple personalities and have a?

Marc Palmer (15m 58s)

Yeah, I have confusingly, I have a colleague called Mark, also, who works with me.

Jeff Battersby (16m 8s)

Great.

Marc Palmer (16m 12s)

He's an illustrator.

Marc Palmer (16m 13s)

He actually, and the listeners won't see this, but these two posters here, these Studio Ghibli style posters are his work.

Marc Palmer (16m 22s)

So yeah, he does that kind of thing.

Marc Palmer (16m 23s)

So he helps with the visual design and the product design and moral support.

Marc Palmer (16m 28s)

And I do the engineering, product design, marketing, and all the other stuff.

Marc Palmer (16m 36s)

Yeah, so it's really good. I love working with people. I don't really want to be a solo.

Marc Palmer (16m 42s)

I mean, I'm solo indie in the sense that I make it, but without him, it would not be nearly as good.

Marc Palmer (16m 52s)

I need someone to bounce off and work through ideas with.

Marc Palmer (16m 56s)

And he does.

Marc Palmer (16m 58s)

We've been doing some work on some extra frames that we'll be shipping that are non-Apple device frames in a future release.

Marc Palmer (17m 6s)

So he's been working on the 3D models for those.

Marc Palmer (17m 9s)

And I don't know if you saw some of the social posts, but he came up with some custom frames that are very simple, but for framing things like poster artwork.

Marc Palmer (17m 18s)

So it doesn't have to be screenshots.

Marc Palmer (17m 20s)

As long as the image fits exactly in the custom frame that you make.

Tom Anderson (17m 26s)

Very nice, yeah, some added flexibility there. That's good.

Jeff Battersby (17m 31s)  

• So, you sell this on the App Store.

Jeff Battersby (17m 39s)

Tell us a little bit about,

Jeff Battersby (17m 40s)

'cause the purchasing process,

Jeff Battersby (17m 42s)

you know, it's the normal way that you go through the App Store, as I recollect.

Jeff Battersby (17m 48s)

Because I tweeted out that I was,

Jeff Battersby (17m 51s)

it wasn't a tweet, I think I did it on threads.

Jeff Battersby (17m 54s)

I don't do Twitter really anymore,

Jeff Battersby (17m 55s)

but maybe I did do it on Twitter, I can't remember.

Jeff Battersby (17m 58s)

And I still call it Twitter.

Jeff Battersby (18m)

Um, the, uh,

Jeff Battersby (18m 2s)

there's a little discount, but how much does this cost?

Jeff Battersby (18m 4s)

And tell us a little bit about, you know, how much time you've put into this,

Jeff Battersby (18m 10s)

because there's a, you know, there's, I mean, it's surprising to me,

Jeff Battersby (18m 15s)

but there's this expectation, um, that, you know,

Jeff Battersby (18m 20s)

for example, you,

Jeff Battersby (18m 21s)

somebody was giving you grief about the fact that you had watermarks on this,

Jeff Battersby (18m 24s)

if you're using it, um, you know, if you didn't pay for it and, you know,

Jeff Battersby (18m 31s)

do and work on this, this is several hours beyond above and beyond your normal contract work. Um, so why don't you give us an idea of first of all,

Jeff Battersby (18m 39s)

how much this costs and then how much effort the two of you,

Jeff Battersby (18m 44s)

the two marks, um, are, uh, are putting into this, you know, what,

Marc Palmer (18m 45s)

Sure, so currently the app has a subscription that is in US dollars, at least just under $2 a month or just under $15 a year.

Marc Palmer (19m 6s)

We had it, it was about 30% reduced for the first week of the app store.

Marc Palmer (19m 10s)

We'll probably run some promotions again in future.

Marc Palmer (19m 16s)

Yeah, in terms of, I mean, the reason we charge is, I mean, I'm not going to be a contractor forever, hopefully.

Marc Palmer (19m 23s)

I need to have a pension because I don't have much of one, you know, I'm 51.

Marc Palmer (19m 28s)

So the hope is I can actually develop some products with longevity and have a customer base that I can keep happy for a long time, which is, you know, the main reason for going with subscriptions.

Marc Palmer (19m 39s)

But yeah, in terms of effort, I mean, it took a year of development and I spent every spare

Marc Palmer (19m 45s)

moment working on it for the last year.

Marc Palmer (19m 48s)

I don't, you know, I have a family, but my kids are older now.

Marc Palmer (19m 52s)

But basically, three to four hours a day extra over my everyday job, you know, plus weekends sometimes.

Marc Palmer (20m)

It's a huge amount of effort.

Marc Palmer (20m 4s)

And you know, so far, we had a great launch week, don't get me wrong, I'm really, really happy about how the launch week went.

Marc Palmer (20m 11s)

And we have quite a few subscribers, which was many more than we thought we would get.

Pricing Model Challenges

Marc Palmer (20m 16s)

But nobody is going to retire on this money anytime soon.

Marc Palmer (20m 23s)

So, yeah, and the incident you're referring to, I think it was on thread.

Marc Palmer (20m 27s)

Somebody kindly mentioned us and said, you know, your watermark is really ugly on the free version of the app.

Marc Palmer (20m 36s)

Sorry, I'll recap actually.

Marc Palmer (20m 38s)

This is quite an interesting thing.

Marc Palmer (20m 40s)

You know, if you do something like a subscription app and it produces visual content,

Marc Palmer (20m 45s)

you have to do something on that content to stop people using it for free,

Marc Palmer (20m 51s)

indefinitely, because they have to use it for free to evaluate it.

Marc Palmer (20m 56s)

You know, you have this dichotomy.

Marc Palmer (20m 57s)

You want people to try everything that your app can do.

Marc Palmer (21m)

And we feel very strongly about that.

Marc Palmer (21m 3s)

And we don't want to lock people out after a week and not let them use the app at all.

Marc Palmer (21m 7s)

So the only option is to put a watermark on.

Marc Palmer (21m 10s)

and you try to make it look as nice as possible.

Marc Palmer (21m 15s)

And as minimal as possible, but you've got to be prominent enough to make people want to pay if they actually want to use the app on any kind of professional level.

Marc Palmer (21m 26s)

And this person on thread said basically that our watermark was really ugly and that we should change it.

Marc Palmer (21m 34s)

Which was interesting, interesting vibe because, you know, well, okay, so you want me to do more work so that you can continue to use it for free in a way that's less obvious.

Marc Palmer (21m 45s)

But, you know, it's funny, you know, you'd love to give things away for free and let everybody use it.

Tom Anderson (21m 46s)

Right.

Marc Palmer (21m 56s)

But, you know, this is the strange kind of VC mentality where people have a huge amount of money and they want to profit down the line.

Marc Palmer (22m 2s)

But if you're an indie and you want to make an honest buck supporting users, you can't do that.

Marc Palmer (22m 9s)

Yeah, it's tough.

Tom Anderson (22m 11s)

Yeah, that has to be frustrating.

Tom Anderson (22m 14s)

I mean, it--

Marc Palmer (22m 15s)

A little bit, but in a way it shows that it's working, that we actually got it right.

Marc Palmer (22m 18s)

Because, you know, that person clearly wants to use the app and now they're kicking up a little bit of a fuss because there's a little black thing in the diagonal corner of the device that says made with ShareShot.

Marc Palmer (22m 31s)

No, no, I don't think it does.

Tom Anderson (22m 31s)

I didn't think it looked bad to be honest for right

Marc Palmer (22m 35s)

I mean, it's a lot better than some of the other ones we thought of, you know.

Marc Palmer (22m 39s)

But maybe, I mean, I thought, well, maybe when I've got more time in the future, you know.

Marc Palmer (22m 45s)

Do I spend time on this or for the free users or do I work on features for the paying users?

Marc Palmer (22m 51s)

But I could put in an option in future for some different watermarks and let free users choose the one that is least ugly for them.

Tom Anderson (22m 58s)

Yeah. And you know, it's such an interesting time that we're in. So, you know, the three of us are a little bit older. I think you said, well, you're 51. I'm 53 on Monday when the show releases, actually it'd be my birthday, but, and Jeff is 112. But back in the nineties in particular, and really prior to the app store and the Google app store, man.

Jeff Battersby (23m 14s)

gonna say how old I am.

Tom Anderson (23m 28s)

That software was a totally different situation in terms of how it worked. I mean, you had shareware which developers would make and they, you know, you could download it, you could use it for free. And if you wanted to, you could kick them a few bucks or something like that. But then when it was still in boxes, which goes way back and I know I can see some of the younger listeners shaking their head, just hang in with us on this one, a little bit of history lesson, but you know, you'd, you'd go and you buy the box software and it was a hundred dollars or.

Jeff Battersby (23m 51s)

Yeah, yeah. (laughs)

Tom Anderson (23m 59s)

Or if it was a utility, maybe like ram double or something, you guys probably remember that it was $49, right?

Marc Palmer (24m 1s)

Yeah. Yeah.

Tom Anderson (24m 5s)

And if you got an upgrade in two years or a year, it was $29, but you had to send them something.

Tom Anderson (24m 10s)

And it was just totally different, but I mean, I get it.

Tom Anderson (24m 14s)

Subscription fatigue is, is a thing, um, because there are so many options these days between streaming services and apps.

Tom Anderson (24m 22s)

And, you know, security services for your house and, and all those kinds of things.

Tom Anderson (24m 27s)

And so I don't want to--

Tom Anderson (24m 28s)

downplay that, because it's definitely a thing.

Tom Anderson (24m 30s)

But on the software side of things, I mean, $15 a year is a steal.

Tom Anderson (24m 37s)

I mean, it really is.

Tom Anderson (24m 39s)

But I think it's just--

Tom Anderson (24m 42s)

you go to work, if you have a job-- like Mark,

Tom Anderson (24m 44s)

you said you do contract.

Tom Anderson (24m 45s)

I know Jeff does some consulting stuff.

Tom Anderson (24m 47s)

I'm full-time out of place.

Tom Anderson (24m 48s)

But I wouldn't expect them to pay me once,

Tom Anderson (24m 53s)

and then I just keep continuing to work.

Marc Palmer (24m 55s)

Yeah.

Tom Anderson (24m 55s)

You know what I'm saying?

Tom Anderson (24m 56s)

It's like, you know, jobs are subs...

Tom Anderson (24m 59s)

You know, you come in, you perform well, we continue to pay in the subscription.

Tom Anderson (25m 3s)

If not, we part ways.

Tom Anderson (25m 5s)

So, I don't know.

Tom Anderson (25m 6s)

There's just something about it and it's tough.

Tom Anderson (25m 10s)

And I do feel for software developers trying to make a.

Marc Palmer (25m 15s)

Yeah, I mean, it's fascinating to me really because yes,

Marc Palmer (25m 18s)

I've been through that whole arc.

Marc Palmer (25m 20s)

I used to sell some shareware stuff in the past,

Marc Palmer (25m 22s)

you know, a long long time ago in the 90s.

Marc Palmer (25m 26s)

So I've experienced all of that and when I think about it,

Marc Palmer (25m 30s)

I think it's a perception thing because yes,

Marc Palmer (25m 36s)

I understand subscription fatigue.

Marc Palmer (25m 37s)

We all feel that but we didn't ever sit down and add up all the money that we spent on all the software and all the the updates in the past.

Tom Anderson (25m 44s)

Right.

Marc Palmer (25m 45s)

And software is so much cheaper now, even if you're paying a subscription.

Marc Palmer (25m 49s)

And what has changed, I suppose, is that we want to use a lot more of it.

Tom Anderson (25m 49s)

Yes.

Marc Palmer (25m 54s)

Some of us, you know, maybe.

Marc Palmer (25m 56s)

And the lower price seemingly allows that.

Marc Palmer (26m)

So if you then multiply that by subscriptions, it feels like a lot more.

Marc Palmer (26m 3s)

But also, you know, we don't have much choice, really, because it's not really...

Marc Palmer (26m 10s)

You know, I was talking about one of my older apps.

Marc Palmer (26m 12s)

They're not necessarily working very well on modern devices.

Marc Palmer (26m 15s)

You have to keep the things working at the very least.

Marc Palmer (26m 18s)

And so if someone has paid once for the app five years ago,

Marc Palmer (26m 22s)

and you don't ever charge them again,

Marc Palmer (26m 26s)

but you stop developing it,

Marc Palmer (26m 28s)

then they still can't carry on using it anyway.

Marc Palmer (26m 31s)

The whole point of the subscription is it aligns the motivations of the user and developer.

Jeff Battersby (26m 39s)

Yeah, I agree with that, and I feel, and I've complained about it here before too, you know,

Jeff Battersby (26m 48s)

there are apps that I've given up because I don't think the benefit of them has added up to what I'm paying annually, you know, and that's been true, and some of that is,

Jeff Battersby (26m 59s)

as Tom would say, because some things get Sherlocked, for example, you know, 1Password,

Jeff Battersby (27m 5s)

which I used for a long time, you know, I don't need 1Password anymore.

Jeff Battersby (27m 10s)

In fact, I didn't need it for quite some time.

Jeff Battersby (27m 11s)

I kept it around because it had some software licenses and things like that.

Jeff Battersby (27m 15s)

And, um, there were other apps that I am happy to pay for every single time.

Jeff Battersby (27m 21s)

This will be one of them. You know,

Jeff Battersby (27m 22s)

ShareShot will definitely be one that I'll, that I'll use it for.

Jeff Battersby (27m 26s)

Keyboard Maestro is another one that I'll gladly pay, you know, pay money for.

Jeff Battersby (27m 31s)

Tom, not so much. He doesn't like that one. Um, too much,

Jeff Battersby (27m 37s)

as he would say, "Too ugly."

Jeff Battersby (27m 40s)

But if it feels like value is being added,

Jeff Battersby (27m 47s)

I'm always happy to pay a subscription and I'm always happy to pay developers.

Jeff Battersby (27m 52s)

I have for years done freelance writing.

Jeff Battersby (27m 56s)

I've written for Macworld,

Jeff Battersby (27m 58s)

a variety of other outlets over the, yeah.

Jeff Battersby (28m 1s)

Not recently, I haven't written for them in a while,

Jeff Battersby (28m 4s)

but I was there for 10-15 years,

Jeff Battersby (28m 8s)

Especially when they're in

Jeff Battersby (28m 9s)

publications and you know these are apps that I used all the time we both use what is it clean shot Tom yeah that's the you know them it's such a great app I'll pay for that every day you know so and understanding that I think it's important to understand mark that that you know you're not you're doing this quote-unquote in your free time but it's it's not a hobby.

Tom Anderson (28m 19s)

Yes. - Yep.

Marc Palmer (28m 20s)

Yeah, I do too, yeah.

Jeff Battersby (28m 39s)

it's you know it's an avocation it's a it's a thing as you said you're doing to make it so you know you've got some income in your golden years I might be in my golden years but you know you've got you know it's it's a means for you to make a living and that's valid you know there there is there is a particular point of view I think that that things you know comes from the internet it should be free.

Marc Palmer (28m 49s)

Sure. [Laughs]

Jeff Battersby (29m 10s)

You know, and that comes from the old days of Napster and you know,

Jeff Battersby (29m 13s)

whatever it was that was, you know, we were doing to get, get music,

Jeff Battersby (29m 16s)

but there are, you know,

Jeff Battersby (29m 19s)

we need to support the people that,

Jeff Battersby (29m 21s)

that are building the applications that we use regularly or anything else that

Jeff Battersby (29m 27s)

we use regularly. As Tom said, you know, your, your day job is a,

Jeff Battersby (29m 31s)

is a subscription, which is interesting.

Jeff Battersby (29m 33s)

I've never thought of it that way, Tom, but yeah.

Marc Palmer (29m 36s)

Yeah, it is, bottom line, I said we had a good launch week, surprisingly so, and that is really motivating for me.

Marc Palmer (29m 53s)

We have so many ideas for this, it seems like quite a simple app and there's not necessarily that much to add, we have a lot of people asking for multi-device screenshots and for support. That's all on the list.

Marc Palmer (30m 6s)

But we have way more to add to this thing and if we continue to get the money coming in then it makes it worth our while. And hopefully we can grow it really nicely and maybe one day we could reduce the price. We're not we're not trying to be Jeff Bezos with this you know. Yeah. And who knows maybe one day there would be a lesser subscription tier for people who don't need all of the pro features. But you know there's a lot to be said for simplicity

Jeff Battersby (30m 21s)

As if it's a million dollars!

Marc Palmer (30m 36s)

Not having too many different price tiers and weird pay walls.

Jeff Battersby (30m 41s)

Yeah, I would say you're you're plenty inexpensive enough for what you're offering already. So I wouldn't, I wouldn't fool with it. I wouldn't. You on the other hand, know how much you're making or how much you aren't making.

Marc Palmer (30m 48s)

Thank you

Marc Palmer (30m 55s)

Yes Yes, well, we'll see I mean it's it's difficult because really it is the real power is for people who are going to use in some kind of professional Setting but you also want people who are casual to have fun using it, too

Jeff Battersby (30m 55s)

So on it.

Jeff Battersby (31m 5s)

Mm-hmm.

Jeff Battersby (31m 6s)

Yeah, absolutely.

Tom Anderson (31m 11s)

Yeah, because I think there's some value to that because there may become a situation six months down the road where they do need it professionally and they'll be like, "Oh,

Marc Palmer (31m 18s)

It's been a lovely feeling seeing, I've never had this before with my own apps, seeing people actually using my app and posting on social media, people who I have no idea who they are and they're posting a screenshot of their watch framed and saying how nice it is.

Tom Anderson (31m 18s)

I have a great, great app for that, by the way."

Tom Anderson (31m 21s)

So yeah, I think that's smart.

Tom Anderson (31m 39s)

Which, by the way, real quick, what I think is a nice touch is on the watch screenshots to be able to change the band.

Marc Palmer (31m 47s)

Yeah, well, I will be honest, it is a little thing because it's just different frames.

Tom Anderson (31m 47s)

I like that. It seems like such a little thing, but it's nice.

Tom Anderson (31m 56s)

Right. That's okay. It's like, it's like, Oh, I can change the band. So it looks slightly different than the previous screenshot that I did.

Marc Palmer (31m 56s)

Yeah, exactly, and you can actually get more because we – are you talking Watch Ultra or Watch?

Marc Palmer (32m 15s)

Yeah. Yes.

Marc Palmer (32m 17s)

So the watch ultra we only include three of the variations from the watch ultra too.

Marc Palmer (32m 21s)

But the screenshots for the ultra two are the same size as the ultra one screenshots.

Marc Palmer (32m 27s)

And Apple has three more ultra one screenshot sorry frames on their Apple design resources page.

Marc Palmer (32m 34s)

So you can just because you paid for a share shot you can just download those and then you'll have six options.

Tom Anderson (32m 39s)

Nice. There you go, pro tip.

Marc Palmer (32m 41s)

That was one of the one of the main reasons for putting that was one of the key things of doing the app as well.

Marc Palmer (32m 47s)

Was custom frames I'd haven't seen any apps that support that because it's quite a tricky thing to do.

Marc Palmer (32m 53s)

So because I didn't want to be what was holding people up if a new device came out and say I'm on vacation and they get they can now can't frame it but now you know anyone who has paid can get the latest frame from Apple

Marc Palmer (33m 5s)

and then and.

Tom Anderson (33m 10s)

Yeah, I like that and so if people would like to learn more about the app, obviously they can go to the app store and search for ShareShot website, ShareShot.app.

Marc Palmer (33m 22s)

Yep, that's correct.

Tom Anderson (33m 24s)

Go check that out.

Tom Anderson (33m 26s)

Really excellent.

Tom Anderson (33m 28s)

If nothing else, use the free version and help promote the app with your screenshots.

Tom Anderson (33m 33s)

They'll look great for your social posts.

Tom Anderson (33m 36s)

But if you do need it professionally, I highly recommend it.

Tom Anderson (33m 39s)

They look great.

Tom Anderson (33m 40s)

And simple to use and adjust, which I think is a big thing because I'm not a designer at all.

Tom Anderson (33m 45s)

Like I struggle with that.

Tom Anderson (33m 46s)

And so to be able to just to quickly make something look nice is is worth a subscription

Marc Palmer (33m 51s)

Yeah, and that's one of our main design goals,

Marc Palmer (33m 54s)

is we want to have some flexibility because you want to be in and out quickly and come out with something pretty,

Marc Palmer (33m 59s)

but you don't want to be fiddling around with sliders and stepper buttons and things to get the --

Marc Palmer (34m 5s)

it's too much, and getting that balance right is the hard work. Thank you.

Jeff Battersby (34m 10s)

Yeah, and you've done a great job of that, so thanks.

Jeff Battersby (34m 14s)

All right, before we trip off to Never Never Land,

Apple iPhone Event 9/9/24

Jeff Battersby (34m 19s)

we've got an event coming up a week after this episode drops, right?

Tom Anderson (34m 25s)

Correct. September 9th.

Jeff Battersby (34m 25s)

Am I right?

Jeff Battersby (34m 26s)

So, September 9th.

Jeff Battersby (34m 28s)

So, Mark, let's start with you.

Jeff Battersby (34m 30s)

Any wishes, prayers, hope for things in the coming,

Marc Palmer (34m 34s)

Yeah, it's interesting you say that.

Jeff Battersby (34m 35s)

in the coming...uh...

Marc Palmer (34m 42s)

I was thinking, you know, you guys have been around for a long time too with the iPhones.

Marc Palmer (34m 47s)

I'm getting a little bit numb to it, I've got to say, in terms of the progress on the hardware.

Marc Palmer (34m 54s)

Most of it seems to be in software, although this year's a bit of a slow year software wise.

Marc Palmer (34m 59s)

But for me now, I realise the battery on my phone, even though I use it quite a lot.

Marc Palmer (35m 5s)

It pretty much lasts until like midnight every day, so maybe it's time to get thinner.

Jeff Battersby (35m 8s)

Yeah. What are you using? What phone do you have?

Marc Palmer (35m 11s)

I would, 15 Pro, yeah.

Jeff Battersby (35m 14s)

Okay.

Marc Palmer (35m 17s)

So yeah, you know, for me, getting thinner and lighter would be a nice thing now.

Marc Palmer (35m 24s)

But also watches, you know, are they going to bring the new sensors?

Marc Palmer (35m 27s)

Is that whole sensor stuff in the US going to get fixed?

Tom Anderson (35m 31s)

laughs Right.

Marc Palmer (35m 34s)

And I'd also like to see some kind of concrete stuff around Vision Pro.

Marc Palmer (35m 40s)

You know, what is the content plan?

Marc Palmer (35m 42s)

What's actually happening now?

Tom Anderson (35m 43s)

You and me both, yeah.

Jeff Battersby (35m 46s)

Do you have do you have a vision bro work? Okay?

Marc Palmer (35m 48s)

Yeah, I do.

Marc Palmer (35m 49s)

There's a Vision Pro version of ShareShot.

Marc Palmer (35m 51s)

It's very nice.

Tom Anderson (35m 52s)

There is, I haven't, okay.

Jeff Battersby (35m 53s)

Have you used that time have you used the the.

Marc Palmer (35m 53s)

It's the nicest version.

Jeff Battersby (35m 57s)

Yeah.

Tom Anderson (35m 58s)

Confession here, I haven't put the Vision Pro on in a while.

Marc Palmer (36m)

It's okay.

Tom Anderson (36m 2s)

So it's sitting on the table.

Marc Palmer (36m 2s)

Yeah.

Tom Anderson (36m 8s)

I do keep the battery charged just so it doesn't, you know,

Tom Anderson (36m 11s)

become detrimental because I haven't charged it up.

Tom Anderson (36m 13s)

But I saw on the content side of things,

Tom Anderson (36m 17s)

they've got a four minute inside the Super Bowl

Tom Anderson (36m 22s)

of video, is it out yet?

Tom Anderson (36m 24s)

I can't remember if it's out yet or it's coming up really soon.

Tom Anderson (36m 26s)

But Mark, how are you feeling about that?

Tom Anderson (36m 29s)

Like the whole slow trickle of content.

Tom Anderson (36m 31s)

It seems like they're somewhat into it,

Tom Anderson (36m 35s)

but not a whole lot.

Marc Palmer (36m 37s)

Yeah, I don't know, I don't understand what's happening.

Marc Palmer (36m 42s)

I mean, everybody knows who has one that it's too big and heavy and too hot and too uncomfortable,

Tom Anderson (36m 46s)

Mm-hmm. Right.

Marc Palmer (36m 48s)

but then at the same time, it's also pretty fantastic what it does.

Marc Palmer (36m 54s)

So yeah, I can imagine internally if they know that they can't get it lighter and more comfortable anytime soon, then maybe they would put the brakes on but that could kill

Marc Palmer (37m 7s)

So I don't know, it's really hard to explain.

Tom Anderson (37m 9s)

Yeah, yeah, part of me.

Jeff Battersby (37m 10s)

And some of the technology has moved on to iOS and iPadOS.

Jeff Battersby (37m 14s)

Like you can now in the beta version of iOS 18 and iPadOS 18, it does eye tracking.

Jeff Battersby (37m 24s)

You can use your eyes to...

Jeff Battersby (37m 26s)

So some of that technology has found its way into iOS and iPadOS, which is great.

Jeff Battersby (37m 34s)

I don't have a Vision Pro and there's nothing about it at this point in time that intrigues me at all.

Jeff Battersby (37m 40s)

The first day it came out, I did go do a demo and thought it was interesting.

Jeff Battersby (37m 46s)

The technology's amazing, the control capabilities are amazing, but nothing about it.

Tom Anderson (37m 53s)

Yeah, I suspect I'm going to dust mine off for U.S. football season's about to start.

Tom Anderson (37m 57s)

And, uh, I did, I got it just in time earlier this year to watch the Super Bowl, which was pretty sweet. So I may dust it off for like the Sunday night games or, or something like that.

Tom Anderson (38m 8s)

But I don't know, part of me wonders what the lifespan of this thing is going to be. If it's a long play, like, you know, will it go five years and then kind of quietly disappear or what the situation is going.

Tom Anderson (38m 23s)

We'll see.

Tom Anderson (38m 44s)

Jeff, what about you for the event on the 9th?

Jeff Battersby (38m 45s)

I there's nothing really that's that I'm I'm with Mark you know I my phone is great I am using a 15 Pro Max and have been using Halide's new process zero that I'm loving really really in fact I might want to see if we can get those guys on here that would be kind of fun but it you know you know me and the watch, I'm wearing it, but I...

Jeff Battersby (39m 15s)

It's, you know, I don't know.

Jeff Battersby (39m 17s)

It's... I'm happy for what it tracks.

Jeff Battersby (39m 20s)

I really do like that it tracks sleep.

Jeff Battersby (39m 22s)

I really do like what it's doing.

Jeff Battersby (39m 25s)

I'm on the beta for that.

Jeff Battersby (39m 27s)

I'm on, actually, on everything now.

Jeff Battersby (39m 29s)

I'm on betas and, you know, I'm happy with the OS,

Jeff Battersby (39m 32s)

other than battery life, but that's to be expected.

Jeff Battersby (39m 34s)

Hopefully they'll tweak that before the final release.

Jeff Battersby (39m 37s)

My watch now dies in one day, so that's a...

Tom Anderson (39m 42s)

Mine's getting a little short too. Yeah, but we're still are you on the first gen right? Okay. Yeah So mark, which one are you on the ultra? Do you have an ultra?

Jeff Battersby (39m 43s)

Yeah, so it's uh...

Jeff Battersby (39m 46s)

I'm on the first gen.

Marc Palmer (39m 52s)

I have wrists that are far too small for an Ultra. I even have the tiny size watch, Series 8.

Tom Anderson (39m 58s)  

• Okay. (laughs)

Jeff Battersby (39m 58s)

Okay, with a very nice band. That's a very nice band.

Tom Anderson (40m 1s)

Yeah.

Jeff Battersby (40m 2s)

Yeah, so I don't, you know, what I'd love is, and I've said this before, is,

Jeff Battersby (40m 7s)

I don't know if I would do a ring, but if they were to do something like that,

Jeff Battersby (40m 12s)

that just is going to track my health stuff and my steps and things of that nature,

Jeff Battersby (40m 16s)

I'd love something like that, then I wouldn't have to wear a watch.

Jeff Battersby (40m 19s)

I've never been a watch wearer. I've been wearing it now for the last two years.

Jeff Battersby (40m 23s)

So, I don't know. I'm interested to see what's on offer.

Jeff Battersby (40m 28s)

If there's an iPad mini that comes out, I'm not interested in that.

Jeff Battersby (40m 33s)

There's just not a lot that I need in terms of what's going on.

Jeff Battersby (40m 41s)

I think most of what I've got now, I'm happy with.

Tom Anderson (40m 48s)

Right.

Jeff Battersby (40m 48s)

Which is, I want to say, that's a good thing.

Jeff Battersby (40m 53s)

The need not to have to go out and buy the next latest and greatest thing is.

Jeff Battersby (40m 59s)

From maybe a stockholder's perspective, not great,

Jeff Battersby (41m 2s)

but from a human with a limited amount of money's perspective,

Jeff Battersby (41m 10s)

I'm happy not to have to spend a bunch of money to get something new.

Jeff Battersby (41m 13s)

I don't know what I'm gonna see in a new iPhone that would compel me.

Jeff Battersby (41m 17s)

I know, Tom, you're on the edge of possibly getting a new one, so.

Tom Anderson (41m 21s)

Yeah, I have the, I got the 14 Pro and I was going to try and stretch that out to a third year but the battery's getting a little short and I want to be able to take advantage of the Apple intelligence stuff when it comes out so we can talk about it, write about it, blah, blah, blah.

Tom Anderson (41m 40s)

So I will upgrade the phone.

Tom Anderson (41m 42s)

I don't anticipate anything else.

Tom Anderson (41m 44s)

The Ultra One is still great.

Tom Anderson (41m 46s)

You know, just like you said there, Jeff,

Tom Anderson (41m 48s)

it, you know, was easily a day and a half,

Tom Anderson (41m 51s)

maybe close to two days depending on what I was doing before.

Tom Anderson (41m 53s)

Now it's a solid day,

Tom Anderson (41m 55s)

but I've noticed if I only charge it to like the 80% mark,

Tom Anderson (41m 59s)

usually when I put it on the charger at the end of the day,

Tom Anderson (42m 1s)

it's in the red because it's under 20,

Tom Anderson (42m 4s)

but still gets me through.

Tom Anderson (42m 5s)

If I hit it up to a hundred, I'm in good shape.

Tom Anderson (42m 7s)

So I'm going to ride that out for another year.

Tom Anderson (42m 10s)

Everything else I'm pretty good on.

Tom Anderson (42m 11s)

So pretty much just the phone for me, I think.

Jeff Battersby (42m 14s)

Alright, so there it goes. So we'll see see what it offers

Jeff Battersby (42m 18s)

Mark, thank you so much for taking the time to come on with us and classing us up with your English accent That's a it's a great thing

Close

Marc Palmer (42m 24s)

I've never been called classy in my life. Come on. Thank you.

Jeff Battersby (42m 30s)

Well, you're you're welcome among the two of us

Jeff Battersby (42m 34s)

You know added to the two of us. You're very high-class, man. You're very posh all

Jeff Battersby (42m 41s)

of, as usual, show music.

Jeff Battersby (42m 44s)

Psychokinetics, we're very grateful to Celsius-7 and Psychokinetics for letting us use their music for our show.

Jeff Battersby (42m 53s)

Random Art and Design is our illustriously brilliant, I don't know what you want to call it, show artwork.

Jeff Battersby (43m 2s)

And, you know, yeah, yeah.

Tom Anderson (43m 2s)

And Mark, real quick, you've seen the artwork for the show,

Tom Anderson (43m 6s)

and now you've seen us in person.

Tom Anderson (43m 7s)

It's pretty realistic, yeah?

Marc Palmer (43m 9s)

Yep, it is actually. It's very, very accurate.

Jeff Battersby (43m 14s)

Yeah, Randall does great work.

Tom Anderson (43m 14s)

Yeah, pretty good.

Jeff Battersby (43m 18s)

We look like we look like those two idiot robots in real life, which is pretty, pretty good.

Jeff Battersby (43m 27s)

And Tom, you know, I was thinking last week that we need to give you credit.

Jeff Battersby (43m 30s)

I'll show editing all the all the hard work that goes into this is Tom F.

Jeff Battersby (43m 35s)

Anderson. So Tom, Tom is the is the show editor.

Tom Anderson (43m 35s)

Oh thanks. Pleasure.

Jeff Battersby (43m 39s)

I just listen to it afterwards and complain about whether or not it's good.

Tom Anderson (43m 41s)

Which is important because it stresses me out that it would go out without somebody listening to it when I'm done. So I do appreciate that. And now this is one of the funnest things I do. So it's been a lot of fun. I'm glad that we do it. And we've met so many interesting and nice people through it. Mark, yet another one. And we are grateful that you'd spent some time with us today. Do check his app out. Go on the App Store, ShareShot or ShareShot.com.

Jeff Battersby (43m 44s)

So, yeah, I was.

Tom Anderson (44m 6s)

It is wonderful. So, Mark, thanks again. We do appreciate it so much.

Marc Palmer (44m 10s)

Thank you so much.

Tom Anderson (44m 11s)

All right. So, everyone, thank you for joining us. As we've said multiple times here,

Tom Anderson (44m 14s)

you have a lot of options for this type of content that you would share some of your time with us. We do appreciate it so much. And until next time, have a great rest of your day or evening.

Tom Anderson (44m 24s)

We'll see you then.

Jeff Battersby (44m 25s)

See ya.

Outro Music (44m 28s)

♪ I don't wanna know about your imperfections, dude ♪ ♪ Prefer to leave you on a pedestal so I'll improve ♪ ♪ 'Cause if I'm finding out you're normal ♪ ♪ Then I'm just like you ♪ ♪ That gon' smash my whole world, lost in illusion ♪