iPhone Event Preview, Betas Update, and Can the iPad Be Your Only Computer?

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to them useless as two sticks all right, walk back.

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Everybody is a new episode of basic a, fb a, f.

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Back at it again.

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Tom a, jeff b.

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Don't as little dance there.

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You can see it like you, but I can.

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But it is friday night.

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Is the friday night?

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chic down right we're dancing, we're dancing time, we're doing all the things you should be doing something friday night.

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I don't know if it was a drinking and it sounds smoking, I'd say screw it, but we're not I see the show's kicking off, just like the pre-show nonsense did right that, which is a good thing there's nothing wrong with that.

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No, you guys say that we have eleven minutes out takes.

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I'm already interrupting you, it's only that it's were worth thirty seconds in.

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Alright, I'm shut my mouth now.

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We're really thirteen minutes and but only a minute of the show he's.

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So welcome back everybody.

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The website's the same thing we can peruse the entire catalog is.

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Jeff likes to say mm-hmm, you want to say it sure peruse the entire catalog with lots of good shows you can go back to uh, don't just start here who I like.

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That's good with this episode nice, which is, I think, seventeen we're up to.

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We're seventeen years old, I mean seventeen shut.

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I wish way past that.

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Yeah, as I got reminded, it worked the other day, so that was nice.

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Oh, good for you.

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Yeah, yeah, tom, you're so old.

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Yeah, thanks what nineteen-year-old?

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uh, I'm just a co-worker at all.

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Yeah, really yeah yeah, oh well, um, I mean, I wasn't alive, but still yeah, right, but I still hurts not as much as I used to.

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I'm kind of getting over it.

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Yes, it would all right.

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So this show we've got a couple of things.

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We're going to roll through a couple of news updates, uh, some a little bit of topicality up front and, uh, we'll roll through that and then we're going to talk about the ipad a little bit.

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Yeah, sounds like fun ipad and maybe a little beta beta talk yes, beta updates, as those are winding down yes, absolutely true.

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So, tom, the big thing speaking of old I'm not talking about myself, of course um usenet is back.

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Remember usenet, tom, I do, I do too where you why don't get?

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mad when people say I'm old because I am.

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I remember these things actually, technically, I don't think that usenet was ever gone, usenet being the original, uh, one of the original social networks, if you want to call it that all text based um, where you, uh, you signed up with your what was it?

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19-bot modem.

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You know the squawk, squawk, squawk.

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You get on and somebody picks up the phone and screws you up so you can't talk on it anymore.

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But I need the phone, yeah, yeah, don't pick it up.

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What do you mean?

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You picked it up?

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Uh, what days?

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Yeah, those were the wonderful days and and some people listen this is gonna go.

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What are you talking about?

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don't, don't, don't, don't, click off of us just yet, well, well, yeah, I wouldn't know what I'm doing, right, hang around, hang around and in we're gonna talk about the time I had the hemorrhoids, jesus um I know you're welcome.

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Now they're tuning out, for sure anyway, usenet was a uh text based.

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It still is a text based, essentially social network.

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It is actually the place that I learned to program in lisp, so let's talk about that.

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That was about 5 000 years ago when I was taking a program in class.

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But it's a uh.

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It's basically basically a message board where you can go get information, pull down information from there.

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There were apparently a bunch of clients as the, the internet or the computers got more graphical, but my recollection of that was using the terminal application, popping on a once I was connected to the internet, feel my dial-up modem, putting in some usenet information terminal and then being able to run commands to see the information that was sitting there.

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So all the uh insidious stuff that you see on the major social networks now twitter, uh, which is no longer called that, but I'm not going to call it what that guy calls it, um facebook, any of those other places um, all of that kind of started on usenet and you can get on it.

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Now there are a couple different uh clients apparently for every os and you've got the ability to uh start looking at things like recartssfwritten and recartssffandom not exciting as that you know, tom, I miss those days.

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Well, a little nostalgic.

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So I got introduced to those.

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Well, I think I stumbled onto those through the so kind of my introduction to everything was the online services, right, so American online Compuserve Prodigy, they all had those.

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And these were also called news groups.

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News groups is correct, yeah, and they were kind of segmented out by topic.

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So you would have tech topics, you could have writing topics, history, general news, whatever the case was, and you would jump on there and they were.

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You know, like Jeff said, they were definitely precursors to some of the social things we have now.

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I think probably most like Reddit yeah.

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Yeah, I think so, and the thing was, though then there wasn't like you didn't get, the algorithm pushes to amplify certain things, because it was.

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That's a shame it really is so sorry to hear that.

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Yeah, those things suck, and I think it was just messages like you would go and you would see the message and then you would kind of see them as they were.

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So if they were a thread, you would see it in sequential order, and there was, there were some etiquettes that you had to follow.

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You had to make sure you put your new message at the bottom on the other message so people could see what was leading you to say what you said, or at you know, or even at the top, but don't dare put it in the middle somewhere, because people would still yell at you.

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They would yeah.

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So yeah, it's interesting that it's kind of making its way back.

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Yeah, it is interesting.

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Artisanal computing, yeah, and I'd be interested to see.

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I have not hopped on yet.

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I might find myself a use net client, just for giggles, to go out and have a look.

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But I do wonder if it's still not algorithmically pushing garbage towards you.

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So maybe it's a little like make it bear in your bathtub.

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You know, it's maybe not great, but it's your bear, you can enjoy it.

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Yeah, just like that.

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So, there's your history lesson for today.

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Kids, You're welcome.

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You're welcome so two old farts doing a show.

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That's us.

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We're changing the name next episode yeah.

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Two old farts.

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And speaking of old things, that's what?

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Yeah, that are history.

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Apple has added the 2017 MacBook Pro with Touch Bar to the vintage list.

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Man.

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You know that's kind of early, feels like, does seem quick.

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Yeah, sunsetted that one a little quick.

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One of the things about that is that there's still people I know that are using them Colin, who I've said by name, so I won't say who he is, but Colin, who I know I'm actually a child of mine I don't usually give names he had one of those and loved it.

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To be fair, though, he said he almost never used the touch bar.

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So probably right that it's gone, but it seems what are we talking about?

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That came out in 2017.

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We're now in 2023.

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Five years that's sorry.

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Six years, because I can't do math Typically feels like I'd have to go back and look if I really wanted to and see whether or not it's more like eight years is usually the cutoff point for that, but I bet you tend to one, and one of the reasons that they do shuttle those things off to a vintage is they no longer want to make parts for them, so that touch bar is gone.

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I don't think we'll see it come back.

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Still can't believe they have that 13-inch MacBook Pro with touch bar Still for sale.

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That M2?

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Still for sale.

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Is it a touch bar one?

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I didn't realize that.

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Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I think you're probably still right, but I don't.

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It's a head scratcher while they still have that.

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Yeah.

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Because we were buying those up until this past January, I think it was, or spring, yeah and then we hopped on the airs yeah, we hopped on the airs at that point, and so, yeah, I didn't want to keep buying them.

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But I think part of the reason they do it is it has a pro name on it, for whatever reason, but the 14s and 16s are a little out of reach budget-wise for some places For us right, we couldn't go to the 14 and 16, because they're definitely not 16.

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But the 14 is even, you know, would stretch things very, very thin, yeah.

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And so I wonder about that.

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But yeah, it's still around.

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And I wonder too like I don't want to put this how excited Apple might be to just rid themselves of all of the Intel baggage.

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Yeah, Well, that goes without saying, I think.

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Is that the last Intel device?

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I think it is.

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No, no, they've got 18s, 19s, I mean, they're all 13-inch, 15-inch models.

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Oh, I'm sorry as far as what they're selling, oh.

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I want to say it is, Since they did the pro, the Mac Mini when they put the M2 Pro, and that that got rid of that high-end Intel-based Mac Mini that they had and iMac's been M1 for 12 years now.

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But yeah, I think it is.

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I think that might be Okay.

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So, who knows, maybe that's part of the deal, but yeah, seems to have one of those.

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You're not in any immediate need to go out and buy something else.

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But Sonoma will be the last major Mac OS update that you get.

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But you'll still get security updates, probably for another one or two years, so a couple years.

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You're okay for now.

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You can ride that thing for a little longer.

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Yep, you certainly can, Absolutely true.

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All right, cool, cool.

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So goodbye, 2017 MacBook Pro, peace out.

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Touchboard.

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Yeah, peace, we had a little bit of an announcement this week, jeff.

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What is the announcement?

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Tom?

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Surprising, no one.

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There's a new iPhone coming out in September.

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What Yep?

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So the event?

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What Wunderlust on September 12th?

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One o'clock Eastern time.

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New phones watches probably some watch bands.

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Yeah, speaking of watches, one interesting idea that came up about those watches is that the next watch is going to be 3D printed, which is interesting.

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It is, at least I don't know what that says.

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Maybe that saves a lot of wasted metal, although Apple's pretty good at not wasting that kind of stuff.

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But that's kind of interesting.

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I like the idea that that's 3D printed.

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I am definitely looking forward to the phone.

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I'm not going to be updating my watch, although there's some rumor perhaps that we might have a darker model, ultra, so something in the space gray realm or something around there.

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I don't know I'm pretty happy with the one I have.

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The titanium that I have is pretty pretty still, yeah, yeah, so we might see something like that.

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But yeah, as you're right, it comes as no surprise.

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This is Christmas in September, as it always is, or Hanukkah, depending on.

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Yeah, whatever you want it to be, doesn't matter we do all of those things.

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But yeah, it's not a surprise and, looking forward to it, I plan to get the next phone.

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Anything in particular you're looking or hoping for on the phone, since you're going to be picking one up.

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No, you know, I have this tendency to avoid all the speculation about what might be, mostly because you know that two days after the wanderlust announcement, maybe one day we're going to get, well, what we wish we had in the latest iPhone 17.

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Right, and then the next one's going to be this.

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It's like, yeah, I don't have any.

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Yeah, pay attention, I'm always looking forward to new camera capabilities.

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That is the camera that is with me most often.

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I take the majority of my photographs now with the camera, so I definitely look forward to some of those options.

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Other than that, I couldn't think of anything more that I want, which is kind of ridiculous, but I don't know.

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Is there anything that?

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First of all, are you a year after year upgrade, or every?

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two year upgrade.

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I typically do every two, yeah.

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So this is my two year cycle.

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That's the other piece of it, so I'm on that myself.

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Is there anything?

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you're hoping it has.

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Not really.

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You have a 14 currently.

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I've got a 14 pro.

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Yeah.

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And so the always on display.

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I got that.

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With that, Got the dynamic island thing on the front, which is useful.

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Yeah.

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I can't say I use it a whole lot, cause I typically don't use my phone a whole lot, like for extended periods where I need to be monitoring what's up there and that thing, but it is handy and I think it's it's a playful feature to add.

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And there's something to be said for that, by the way just certain that's fun, doesn't?

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have to be amazing you know technological breakthrough which could be whimsical and playful and fun, but no, otherwise, I mean I'm really happy with the one I have.

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The battery life has been pretty good for me.

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I know there were some articles, maybe a week or two ago or before, there was write up about the battery health for some of the 14 seems lower than then you might think it would be for it being, you know, only a year old or something.

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But I haven't had that issue.

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I checked mine.

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Mine's still in good shape, so but yeah, I've been happy with it.

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There's something that I haven't still been able to put my finger on with the photos that they feel over processed.

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I even tried some with the app that that you suggested, hey, yeah, and that, honestly, I didn't see too much of a difference.

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Really interesting, and so now I will throw a little bit of a caveat to that is, I have started shooting more with the Sony.

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And so.

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I don't know, if you know, I'm seeing pictures from it.

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It's like, oh wow, those are keep zooming, keep zooming, and they're very clear, so that that could be coloring my perspective a little bit.

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I gotta say the same thing though the and I.

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It's mostly in the photos app, and what's really weird about it is when I take those photos and do any editing directly in the photos app, I'm noticing that it looks one way when I finish editing it and when I click done and it saves it, it looks a different way, and I don't know whether that's me being stupid.

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Look at that, look on your face.

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I was saying that that's not good Dork, or you, because I'm a dork it's like you edit it to look a certain way and then you click done and it doesn't look that way.

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Yeah, and I'm not great.

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I haven't thought about doing a screen recording.

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When I do that and it's typically photos I have taken using the photos app gone in and processed and brought back.

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Anything that I'm doing with halide now, which that has become the default, with that nice little double finger tap that I that I do in the back of the phone that brings that app right up.

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That's pretty much all I'm using for photos, unless I have a quick one off or, you know, somebody's taken pictures of a group of people and I'm handing the phone to somebody I don't want them to have to, you know you know it's this right, but I was noticing, noticing that and it would be interesting to see.

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One of the things that's nice about halide is it takes camera raw Right, so it takes, it takes those kinds of photos.

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Apple does, I think, have raw capabilities built into the photo, into the camera as well.

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But yeah, I've seen similar things and I don't know if it's because I've selected a particular photo style.

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Yeah, that's what I thought too, and where I noticed it was like well, you know, we went to the beach back in June and I took the phone.

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You're still tan, Tom, Well you know it's summer's fading, but I got to keep it going.

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But I took the Sony as well and when I was and I could see it in the photos app, right, I'm looking through the photos and I'm like, oh, there's one the Sony took, oh, there's one the phone took.

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Why are the colors look so strange and like this what you just said.

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I thought I had the photographic style selected, so I actually went in to the settings there and play with that and it wasn't.

00:18:47.692 --> 00:18:49.174
It was just on the standard setting.

00:18:49.174 --> 00:18:58.009
And so I don't know, I don't know if it's a software thing or if it's just one of those things that once you see it it's hard to unsee it.

00:18:58.009 --> 00:19:00.196
And it's not necessarily bad, it's just different.

00:19:00.196 --> 00:19:03.026
So you know it.

00:19:03.026 --> 00:19:10.041
They're not terrible pictures by any means, but they're no, they're, they just look a little bit over processed.

00:19:10.542 --> 00:19:12.090
Little punchy yeah.

00:19:12.171 --> 00:19:16.201
And fuzzy and little grainy in places and on the phone they look okay.

00:19:16.201 --> 00:19:20.558
It's usually when you put them up on the Mac and you start to actually look at them at a bigger size.

00:19:20.558 --> 00:19:21.810
Yeah, these are so great.

00:19:23.814 --> 00:19:25.057
Yeah, we'll see Again.

00:19:25.057 --> 00:19:26.579
Who knows what they do.

00:19:26.579 --> 00:19:29.834
There's a lot of super processing like you said going on.

00:19:29.834 --> 00:19:39.242
Yeah, it's all computational these days, so yeah, and part of that is you know you don't have lenses that actually can do the things that a lens like on your Sony can do.

00:19:39.242 --> 00:19:48.503
Where you've got physical, physical lenses that you're playing with, that you adjust and that adjusts, you know what it is and how it is that you're seeing things.

00:19:48.544 --> 00:20:00.821
So, who knows, maybe your sensors, all, kinds of stuff and it's you know, and to be perfectly clear, I mean the photo quality we get from phones these days is fantastic.

00:20:00.821 --> 00:20:02.928
Oh right, I mean it's iPhones.

00:20:02.928 --> 00:20:06.923
It's, you know, some of the Android top tier phones to great photos as well.

00:20:06.923 --> 00:20:09.290
So it's, and that's the one you have with you.

00:20:09.290 --> 00:20:11.817
And you know I'm not going to carry the Sony around.

00:20:11.817 --> 00:20:15.532
Special occasion I'll take it, maybe, and even then I don't use it a ton.

00:20:17.297 --> 00:20:23.674
No right In what's the best camera to have is the one that's with you.

00:20:24.135 --> 00:20:28.875
It's the old adage, you know, doesn't matter which one you have, as long as you have one.

00:20:28.875 --> 00:20:38.682
Yeah, interesting, be interesting to see, and I we're going to get some excuse me, USB-C connections, I think, on this, this phone as well.

00:20:38.682 --> 00:20:42.669
It's probably means I need to buy more cables, owed to joy, actually, you know what?

00:20:42.669 --> 00:20:45.578
That's not true, and this is something I'll pop up.

00:20:45.578 --> 00:20:54.987
So when I got all my stuff stolen, one of the things that I picked up this is giving us content for months and I'm not bitter.

00:20:55.086 --> 00:20:55.568
I'm not bitter.

00:20:55.568 --> 00:20:58.035
It's been a year almost, but I'm not bitter.

00:20:58.035 --> 00:21:07.619
One of the things that I ended up getting is Apple sells a bag safe charger that flips open.

00:21:07.619 --> 00:21:18.720
One is for the watch and one is for the phone and if you're using those, if you're using those kinds of chargers, then you won't need to get a special cable for all the places that you go.

00:21:18.720 --> 00:21:21.369
That's one of the things I'm really pleased about.

00:21:21.369 --> 00:21:23.015
Thank you, thieves.

00:21:23.015 --> 00:21:31.366
Wherever you are, I'm sure you're listening to this podcast, because that was actually a great purchase, great for when I travel.

00:21:31.366 --> 00:21:36.986
Fold it up and it's not again another cable like the Apple Watch charging cable and that.

00:21:36.986 --> 00:21:46.835
So if you're using any of the, using any of the MagSafe charging capabilities the cordless charging that's available it's a lot.

00:21:46.835 --> 00:21:50.347
Don't feel what's that?

00:21:50.347 --> 00:21:51.309
Yeah, I do like a lot too.

00:21:51.309 --> 00:21:53.574
You don't need to worry about that.

00:21:53.594 --> 00:21:56.640
It's a good, all right, anything else?

00:21:56.640 --> 00:22:00.736
Other cases, tom, I'm looking for watch bands.

00:22:00.736 --> 00:22:13.131
Because I want to spend a few more hundred dollars but I feel like we're due for some new bands for the ultra yeah you're not here.

00:22:13.131 --> 00:22:16.105
We haven't gotten any right that are specific to it.

00:22:16.827 --> 00:22:17.390
No, you're right.

00:22:17.410 --> 00:22:18.634
Of course you can always use the other ones.

00:22:18.634 --> 00:22:20.015
They don't.

00:22:20.015 --> 00:22:22.509
You know, they look okay, but they're not.

00:22:22.509 --> 00:22:23.510
They don't quite.

00:22:23.510 --> 00:22:31.749
They're not ultra man Well, neither am I so there's a blast, so we'll see if we get some new watch bands.

00:22:31.749 --> 00:22:32.971
I'd be happy with that.

00:22:33.392 --> 00:22:44.183
Yeah, I would like that little disappointed and we'll talk about betas maybe a little bit later, but I am on all the betas and all the things now the watch faces on the beta.

00:22:44.183 --> 00:22:48.626
I don't know if they're gonna do some other ones, but I'm not Feeling it.

00:22:48.626 --> 00:22:50.352
Mm-hmm, charlie bounds cute.

00:22:50.352 --> 00:22:52.096
There's another one, that's okay.

00:22:52.096 --> 00:22:54.470
I'd like some watch faces.

00:22:54.891 --> 00:22:56.455
Yeah, that's an ongoing thing.

00:22:57.326 --> 00:22:59.173
Yeah, there's just don't know.

00:23:00.665 --> 00:23:11.164
Seems like even if there was, you know, a third-party watch face and they had to approve each one because, you know I'm sure they don't want copyright stuff and that kind of thing, and they don't even have to be third-party.

00:23:11.164 --> 00:23:18.009
I think if they're not going to do third-party, then Apple takes on the responsibility, I think, of providing More and better watch faces.

00:23:18.288 --> 00:23:20.335
Yeah, and they could do that a couple times a year, I think.

00:23:20.355 --> 00:23:28.689
so it's an easy, an easy upgrade, even sell, some People would buy it.

00:23:28.689 --> 00:23:30.919
I'm not saying I'd like it, but people would buy it.

00:23:30.919 --> 00:23:32.184
People would buy it.

00:23:32.184 --> 00:23:38.068
Yeah, right, especially you know, 99 cents, 299, whatever, yeah.

00:23:39.046 --> 00:23:42.496
Call me up to that ID in their head yeah save a spot for me.

00:23:42.496 --> 00:23:45.269
Good, good for you.

00:23:45.269 --> 00:23:46.212
You're welcome.

00:23:46.252 --> 00:23:51.609
I have to spend money on other stuff, yep, so you have been running some betas I have, I have.

00:23:52.090 --> 00:23:55.357
I've been running all the betas on all except the computer we're on.

00:23:56.987 --> 00:24:00.743
Which is why I have you on FaceTime on the phone, because I can't see you in the recording.

00:24:01.045 --> 00:24:03.930
Actually, on FaceTime right, because I couldn't update.

00:24:03.930 --> 00:24:14.765
Update this OS with the beta OS is a connection for the, for the phone, and I got to say pretty solid all the way around.

00:24:14.765 --> 00:24:17.329
I have been playing with a lot of that.

00:24:17.329 --> 00:24:32.413
One of the things I've been playing on with on the iPad and this maybe is a good segue into the iPad is computer conversation, is the, the new stage manager feature, which I hate in the current iteration on.

00:24:32.413 --> 00:24:40.309
You know the non beta versions of Mac OS and and iPad OS and Turned it off immediately.

00:24:40.309 --> 00:24:51.057
Lot better job with the ability to rearrange Windows, add multiple windows, have windows on top of windows.

00:24:51.057 --> 00:24:57.894
That's kind of a pain in the neck, I will admit it's not Quite as intuitive as it is in the macOS yet.

00:24:57.894 --> 00:25:02.188
But right now I'm looking at three Resized windows.

00:25:02.188 --> 00:25:05.595
One is notes for the show, one is that the I'm.

00:25:05.595 --> 00:25:08.406
You know the messages Chat that we have.

00:25:08.406 --> 00:25:13.198
And then I also currently have you up in the upper right-hand corner, as far as way as I can keep you from me.

00:25:13.986 --> 00:25:14.067
In.

00:25:14.126 --> 00:25:14.768
FaceTime.

00:25:14.768 --> 00:25:21.989
I've got dual FaceTime for you, one one in front of my face in Riverside where we're recording, and the other one on this Off to the side there.

00:25:21.989 --> 00:25:25.904
But the way that this works now really sharp.

00:25:25.904 --> 00:25:31.298
I actually might consider using this with some regularity.

00:25:31.298 --> 00:25:56.126
One of the things I also really like about the the beta in the iPad, which this is Silly, low rent kind of thing but the fact that you can use you can use Live pictures on the lock screen, yeah, so that when you bring it up by the way, this is also true of macOS itself Kind of stunning.

00:25:56.126 --> 00:26:01.538
I kind of have the same feeling about that that I did when we first talked about the.

00:26:01.538 --> 00:26:19.130
The photos feature that kind of flipped your photos every time you turned on, turned on the, the phone or the iPad, where it would switch between you know various pictures that you'd taken that you've Selected you know, friend of mine at work, just started using that Just now yesterday.

00:26:19.190 --> 00:26:22.410
Yeah, just updated her phone so and wait.

00:26:22.471 --> 00:26:27.890
Just updated their phone to 16, yeah, 16, what we're on now?

00:26:27.890 --> 00:26:39.616
Yeah, wow, and she listened, so be nice to her, but she pointed it out to me today that how much she liked that feature.

00:26:40.058 --> 00:26:42.244
Yeah, it's still one of my favorite features.

00:26:42.645 --> 00:26:43.308
Likewise in that.

00:26:43.388 --> 00:26:47.964
Yeah, and the addition now of live photos on lock screens stunning.

00:26:47.964 --> 00:26:50.211
I have a waterfall picture that I took in my backyard.

00:26:50.211 --> 00:27:01.813
You know, not directly my backyard, we kind of you know swanky, half half a mile, half a mile up in the woods behind my house there's a pretty decent waterfall and that is what.

00:27:01.813 --> 00:27:09.166
When I unlock my iPad, that's what I see and that's all in like Motion.

00:27:09.166 --> 00:27:14.516
It's really beautiful and it's kind of slower than the normal picture would be.

00:27:14.516 --> 00:27:18.984
It's like it it speeds up and then kind of slows down until it stops.

00:27:18.984 --> 00:27:21.404
It's really, it's beautiful, it's really nice.

00:27:21.586 --> 00:27:24.796
I haven't seen that specifically, but have you looked at the?

00:27:24.796 --> 00:27:27.565
It's the new screensavers and desktop on Sonoma.

00:27:28.366 --> 00:27:28.929
I have.

00:27:28.929 --> 00:27:31.675
I turned it off to do my own picture, okay.

00:27:31.776 --> 00:27:36.298
No, no, I did and that's, that is another similar to what you said.

00:27:36.318 --> 00:27:41.528
Yeah, in the picture of Sonoma, I Gorgeous.

00:27:42.010 --> 00:27:45.265
Yeah, oh my gosh, it really is, I think when, I first installed the beta.

00:27:45.265 --> 00:27:47.373
I sent that to you and I was like this looks incredible.

00:27:47.885 --> 00:27:50.614
It really does, even on the, on the.

00:27:50.614 --> 00:27:57.696
You know pre, when you, when you have to log into file vault, it looks pretty, pretty slick.

00:27:57.696 --> 00:28:00.333
There too, you know when you have to log into the computer for the first time.

00:28:00.333 --> 00:28:12.030
One of the things about this OS is, when I say this OS, mac OS in general, is the way that Apple Kind of grabs you with those kinds of things.

00:28:12.030 --> 00:28:22.128
It's not just an afterthought that they tack on, it's one of those things, it's a feature, a real feature that makes it so your computer's yours.

00:28:22.128 --> 00:28:24.959
Look at you, look at me like I'm some kind of dork.

00:28:25.200 --> 00:28:29.069
No, I was going to say, and Well, go ahead.

00:28:29.069 --> 00:28:32.517
No, I was going to say it's not an afterthought.

00:28:32.517 --> 00:28:41.510
Like the finder, I was gonna save that for the iPad as a computer thing.

00:28:41.510 --> 00:28:43.736
But we'll get to that a couple minutes.

00:28:44.478 --> 00:28:50.773
Yeah, so, yeah, yeah, you got it.

00:28:50.773 --> 00:28:51.096
Yeah.

00:28:51.096 --> 00:28:53.065
So I've got betas on my watch.

00:28:53.065 --> 00:28:57.894
I've got betas on my MacBook Pro.

00:28:57.894 --> 00:28:58.876
I've not put it on this.

00:28:58.876 --> 00:29:11.287
As soon as we finish recording, I'll put it on this, this Mac mini, and have betas on the on my iPad.

00:29:11.287 --> 00:29:23.209
The only thing I don't know and this is gonna kind of lead us into the iPad as computer question the only thing that really I don't know.

00:29:23.209 --> 00:29:27.565
He just give me a desktop or give me the option to turn on the desktop.

00:29:27.565 --> 00:29:39.167
I, you know I can appreciate that we wanted this to be a singular interface, that you tapped a button and it brought up an application, but I really I don't know.

00:29:39.167 --> 00:29:43.265
I let's, let's have the option to make it a computer.

00:29:43.265 --> 00:29:47.365
Don't make me open up the files app and then I have to see that stuff to get to it.

00:29:47.365 --> 00:29:51.132
You know I do have my desktop and iCloud drive can see all those things.

00:29:51.152 --> 00:29:51.613
I don't know.

00:29:51.613 --> 00:29:54.378
So shall we just roll in to the main topic?

00:29:55.066 --> 00:29:56.730
Oh, tom, let's do it, let's do it.

00:29:56.730 --> 00:29:58.413
Why not go ahead?

00:29:58.413 --> 00:30:21.430
So the main topic is when we this last week, jason snow, formerly of Macworld, now the, the head dude at six colors, that got a couple of other people writing over there as well Dan Moran's one of them, both Macworld guys and you other people, actually another.

00:30:21.430 --> 00:30:23.435
I noticed the other day another person from back was there.

00:30:23.435 --> 00:30:25.510
Hey, jason, sure bring me on.

00:30:25.510 --> 00:30:39.355
Hey, one of the things that he had in in his last, last post was Trying to use the iPad as a computer.

00:30:39.394 --> 00:31:03.459
I picked this up, actually through Derek fireball, and then went over to to Jason's Jason's bit, and what he's come down to is that he's the title of the article is giving up the iPad only travel dream, and what he was talking about Was the idea that he, you know, would be able to leave his MacBook Pro or MacBook Air or whatever he's currently using.

00:31:03.459 --> 00:31:14.934
Actually, he's using a MacBook Air, leave that at home and take the iPad with him to do everything that he needs to do, and he, like you, I believe, edits most of his podcast work on his iPad.

00:31:14.934 --> 00:31:16.057
You do that as well, correct?

00:31:16.057 --> 00:31:19.049
Yeah, our podcast work.

00:31:19.049 --> 00:31:21.036
You do the work, I just do the.

00:31:22.448 --> 00:31:25.990
Hey, it seems to be working so well, just so far.

00:31:25.990 --> 00:31:26.932
Just keep at it, yeah.

00:31:27.453 --> 00:31:29.878
I get to listen to it before it goes out.

00:31:31.249 --> 00:31:33.184
Which makes me feel better, because I'm always paranoid.

00:31:33.184 --> 00:31:41.929
It's gonna have something wrong with it, and so at least when you yeah, do your verification list the whole thing feel pretty good about preview parent-approved.

00:31:43.425 --> 00:31:45.694
But he um, he was talking about.

00:31:45.694 --> 00:31:46.949
I'll just reassess.

00:31:46.949 --> 00:31:53.818
I'm spending a few days this week visiting my mom and it's the fourth or fifth time this summer I've needed to pack a bag as part of a busy travel schedule.

00:31:53.818 --> 00:31:57.792
For many years I tried very hard to travel with only an iPad.

00:31:57.792 --> 00:32:01.625
I bring two devices and I'm not leaving my iPad at home.

00:32:01.625 --> 00:32:18.944
Since the arrival of Apple Silicon, however, I've gone back to traveling with both an iPad and a MacBook Air and I will say I have never Gotten to the point where I really work on the iPad either.

00:32:18.944 --> 00:32:24.699
I will say I have often traveled with it and used it as a second display.

00:32:25.446 --> 00:32:31.813
That I've done with regularity set that side car stuff Using the side car features and I like that a lot.

00:32:31.813 --> 00:32:34.747
It works great, you know.

00:32:34.747 --> 00:32:56.891
It gives me the opportunity to have you know Messaging that's going on, when you know I'm doing whatever it is that I'm doing, wherever I'm doing it, and then to be able to have you know, typically a remote desktop session up, not a Apple remote desktop session, windows Remote desktop session up which is a really good app by a lot.

00:32:57.251 --> 00:33:04.616
It's brilliant, yeah, it's great, and so I run that on my Mac screen and then I'm doing all the messaging stuff that I need to do it using sidecar.

00:33:04.616 --> 00:33:12.997
I'm still waiting for Highland Pro to come out, and you know it's still in beta on my iPad.

00:33:13.685 --> 00:33:21.755
So you know, and I've had enough problems with using the beta to do real things and I'm not gonna do that again Like whole paragraphs of rewritten text.

00:33:21.755 --> 00:33:31.171
No, thank you, don't need to do that, but I have never gotten to the point I where it is a standalone tool for me.

00:33:31.171 --> 00:33:37.146
Part of that, I think, is because of what we talked about here, which is there's not really finder integration.

00:33:37.619 --> 00:33:38.201
It's better.

00:33:38.201 --> 00:33:41.046
It's not the same depending on what app you're using.

00:33:41.046 --> 00:33:48.521
Like if you're using the Microsoft apps, even on a Mac OS, it's always trying to get you to get a OneDrive, not to your local hard drive, which is you know.

00:33:48.521 --> 00:33:56.667
I get it, but don't be annoying In Mac OS and, sorry, in iPad OS getting to like pages, numbers and key note.

00:33:56.667 --> 00:34:06.903
I feel like that integrates better, but I'm saving most of that stuff in those folders in my iCloud drive, so it goes where it needs to go there when I travel.

00:34:06.903 --> 00:34:09.050
It was just out with my mom.

00:34:09.050 --> 00:34:17.030
I'm now recording in Jeffrey Dahmer's basement, but you know, last episode I was at my mom's house in Jeffrey Dahmer's cabin.

00:34:17.030 --> 00:34:18.686
I don't know what you were going to call it.

00:34:18.686 --> 00:34:22.869
No, ted Kaczynski's cabin Dark.

00:34:24.041 --> 00:34:48.387
Yeah, you know me so Ted Kaczynski's cabin at mom's and Jeffrey Dahmer's basement at my house, but what I end up using the iPad for is watching movies, checking a couple of messages and doing stuff like that, but, honestly, I have not made a transition to using an iPad for everything.

00:34:48.387 --> 00:34:55.360
I'm proud of you, tom, because you are at least using it to edit podcast episodes.

00:34:55.360 --> 00:34:59.027
Are you doing other things, though, that make it more a?

00:34:59.027 --> 00:35:04.688
Could you live I think this is the better question Traveling could you travel just with an iPad?

00:35:05.179 --> 00:35:10.472
If we did not have a show to record, probably.

00:35:10.472 --> 00:35:27.726
Case in point Right, exactly, yeah because the audio subsystem for iOS slash iPadOS is still pretty primitive, yeah it is I mean you see it you play some Apple music and then go to YouTube.

00:35:27.726 --> 00:35:31.943
You don't get them both to play like you would on a Mac or a PC.

00:35:31.943 --> 00:35:35.601
Correct, it's gonna say well, you must really just wanna watch the YouTube.

00:35:35.601 --> 00:35:40.427
So I'm gonna kill the other one, and it is what it is.

00:35:42.099 --> 00:35:44.248
I will say that that is not the case with AirPlay.

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