Checking In On The Public Betas

Intro

Tom Anderson (0s)
how desperate we are for joy these days. Can we get a little joy please?

Jeff Battersby (0s)
Not wrong, my friend, not wrong.

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Jeff Battersby (24s)
Good morning, Tommy. You didn't do it. You were gonna say basic CF show, but you but you didn't

Tom Anderson (27s)
I was.

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But we got our act together.

Jeff Battersby (31s)
Kinda, I'm still watching women's soccer over my left shoulder on the iPad. So

Tom Anderson (33s)
Wow.

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Well, just keep us updated.

Jeff Battersby (39s)
Right now they're up 1-0 against Japan

Tom Anderson (41s)
One nil barn burner.

Jeff Battersby (42s)
1-0

Tom Anderson (44s)
Yeah.

Jeff Battersby (45s)
With about seven minutes left in the game

Tom Anderson (48s)
Oh, all right.

Jeff Battersby (48s)
Second extra time. We'll see. I don't know

Tom Anderson (50s)
We should have a, we may have a final before we finish the show.

Tom Anderson (54s)
Here's the Olympics continue over in Paris.

Jeff Battersby (55s)
We definitely will have a final before we finish the show.

Tom Anderson (1m)
Oh yeah.

Jeff Battersby (1m)
Paris, you know what they say.

Tom Anderson (1m 3s)
All right.

Tom Anderson (1m 4s)
That's it, sir.

Jeff Battersby (1m 4s)
So Tom, been stuff going on this week for some of us and also for Apple.

Tom Anderson (1m 10s)
Yeah.

Jeff Battersby (1m 13s)
So you want to ring us up the old earnings report real quick.

Tom Anderson (1m 13s)
There has been.

Jeff Battersby (1m 17s)
We don't need to spend a lot of time on it.

Tom Anderson (1m 19s)
Let's do it.

Tom Anderson (1m 20s)
So they announced their earnings report for fiscal third quarter.

Latest Apple Earnings

Tom Anderson (1m 24s)
And as Jeff mentioned, we won't spend a lot of time on it.

Tom Anderson (1m 26s)
Cause that's not really what we do here, but.

Tom Anderson (1m 30s)
5.8 billion.

Tom Anderson (1m 31s)
So they made a few bucks, um, services revenue, 24.2.

Tom Anderson (1m 37s)
Pays to raise those subscription prices.

Tom Anderson (1m 39s)
Um, iPhone revenue though, down 1%.

Tom Anderson (1m 42s)
It's been kind of flat for a while.

Tom Anderson (1m 43s)
iPad revenue went up 24%.

Tom Anderson (1m 45s)
What a shocker.

Tom Anderson (1m 46s)
You release new products, people buy them.

Tom Anderson (1m 48s)
Um, and Mac revenue ticked up a little bit, uh, 2%.

Jeff Battersby (1m 48s)
Alright. Yeah. Yeah. All good stuff. Yeah. I don't know.

Tom Anderson (1m 53s)
So, and I think somewhere I read it, it ended up somehow being another record quarter or something.

Tom Anderson (1m 58s)
I don't know.

Tom Anderson (1m 58s)
They continue to print money.

Jeff Battersby (1m 59s)
They're making bazillions of dollars hand over fist and you know, so it goes. That's the way it goes, Tom. We're making so much money, Tom. I can't even imagine. Oh, US almost got another goal. Um, can't even imagine. See, I'm gonna be a I'm a little distracted.

Tom Anderson (2m 5s)
Yeah, it's just like this show, making money, baby.

Jeff Battersby (2m 18s)
I'm not supposed to be because we're recording the ADHD is is more A.D.

Tom Anderson (2m 19s)
More so than usual.

Jeff Battersby (2m 27s)
than ever. Yeah, OK, as it goes, so it goes.

Tom Anderson (2m 29s)
That's okay.

Tom Anderson (2m 30s)
We'll work with it.

Tom Anderson (2m 31s)
It's the Olympics.

Tom Anderson (2m 32s)
We'll work with it.

Tom Anderson (2m 34s)
Yeah.

Tom Anderson (2m 34s)
So, but yeah, they're, they're doing well services.

Tom Anderson (2m 36s)
I mean, they said it was going to be, you know, when that would be like a growth engine and thing with that is this just such high margins on all that stuff.

Tom Anderson (2m 44s)
I think I read it was over 70% overall.

Tom Anderson (2m 49s)
For the search engine.

Tom Anderson (2m 50s)
That's all the stuff we subscribe to.

Jeff Battersby (2m 52s)
Yeah, that's pretty amazing.

Tom Anderson (2m 52s)
And I think they had a billion paid subscribers.

Tom Anderson (2m 57s)
I read that's crazy.

Jeff Battersby (2m 59s)
And yet, one of the things, and I don't know whether or not, I did not listen to the earnings report because I don't understand half of it anyway.

Tom Anderson (3m 10s)
Yeah, I don't do that either. Right.

Jeff Battersby (3m 13s)
But the thing that's interesting is about a week ago, maybe a week and a half ago, Apple also decided that they're going to tighten.

Jeff Battersby (3m 22s)
In fact, anybody listening to this, if you're an Apple TV plus fan, Tom doesn't watch anything.

Jeff Battersby (3m 37s)
I watch everything.

Tom Anderson (3m 37s)
I need some help here, is what he's saying.

Jeff Battersby (3m 39s)
So if we, we need a foot up, so I need somebody I can talk intelligently about, and that's not going to be Tom.

Tom Anderson (3m 41s)
No, not for that.

Jeff Battersby (3m 49s)
So if anybody out there is a...

Jeff Battersby (3m 52s)
a fan of Apple TV+ stuff, let us know.

Jeff Battersby (3m 56s)
You can let us know, by the way.

Jeff Battersby (3m 57s)
Might as well pitch this out now at feedback@basicafshow.com or within your app, you can send us a text message.

Jeff Battersby (4m 3s)
But we'd be interested in having you on if you are someone that watches content on Apple TV+.

Jeff Battersby (4m 10s)
But Apple has produced some really amazing stuff,

Jeff Battersby (4m 14s)
like everything from "Killers of the Flower Moon,"

Jeff Battersby (4m 18s)
which is a movie that was out,

Jeff Battersby (4m 21s)
Directed by Mark Scorsese.

Jeff Battersby (4m 23s)
This last year.

Jeff Battersby (4m 24s)
Um, and in addition to that, a ton of really good shows, but they have determined that they're tightening the purse strings a little bit on that,

Jeff Battersby (4m 33s)
that they're not going to be spending as much money.

Jeff Battersby (4m 34s)
So, uh, another way to make more money is not to spend money.

Jeff Battersby (4m 38s)
So, uh, hopefully that doesn't, that doesn't, uh, lead to, uh,

Jeff Battersby (4m 43s)
you know, junkier television, but, um, you know, if you want to see prestige TV, which Tom doesn't, you can--

Jeff Battersby (4m 54s)
You can definitely see a lot of really good stuff on Apple TV+.

Jeff Battersby (4m 58s)
So Apple, I know everybody laughed at 'em when they first said, "We're gonna do television!"

Jeff Battersby (5m 4s)
They've done a heck of a job.

Jeff Battersby (5m 6s)
And so anyway, maybe more money in that bucket again

Jeff Battersby (5m 11s)
as time goes on because they're not spending as much on the backend.

Jeff Battersby (5m 15s)
But good for Apple.

Jeff Battersby (5m 17s)
I wish I never sold my stock.

Jeff Battersby (5m 20s)
because I... I... I...

Jeff Battersby (5m 22s)
did a little math on the hundred stocks, the hundred, you know, stocks that I bought, Apple stocks that I bought. This was, you know, back in the day when it was 12 bucks, 12 bucks a share. I'd have been a millionaire now, Tom, if I hadn't sold it. So, yeah, well, nothing like, you know, being an idiot. So anyway, on to more interesting news, not that money's

Tom Anderson (5m 37s)
That's good, I'm glad you beat yourself up with it.

Jeff Battersby (5m 52s)
that interesting. I just don't have any, so it doesn't interest me that much. We, uh, what we really want to get into this week is, uh, the betas, although, um, I think you're only on the beta on your Mac and I am on the beta on everything but the Mac mini that I'm on right now, because I didn't want to goof up us being able to record shows and do that kind of work.

The Public Betas

Jeff Battersby (6m 19s)
So I have installed betas on pretty.

Jeff Battersby (6m 22s)
Much all my devices, and we can talk about that for a little bit just to discuss what it is that I've seen.

Jeff Battersby (6m 29s)
I'm not doing any of the Apple intelligence betas because I think those are still only developer betas. Is that right?

Tom Anderson (6m 37s)
That is correct.

Jeff Battersby (6m 38s)
So caught you right mid drink yeah, right you and your morning cocktail

Tom Anderson (6m 39s)
Sorry.

Tom Anderson (6m 39s)
You caught me mid drink.

Tom Anderson (6m 40s)
Yeah.

Tom Anderson (6m 44s)
Yeah.

Tom Anderson (6m 45s)
Good old H2O.

Jeff Battersby (6m 47s)
Same same I got a glass though right same crazy

Tom Anderson (6m 48s)
Wild man.

Tom Anderson (6m 51s)
Yeah, but no, you're correct.

Tom Anderson (6m 52s)
So there's public betas for everything and then, um, for 18.0 and then there's a developer betas, or I should say there are developer betas for 18.1 for iOS, 18.1, iPadOS, and MacOS Sequoia 15.

Tom Anderson (7m 7s)
Those just came out recently.

Jeff Battersby (7m 8s)
Yeah, I haven't touched any of those yet, but I have, um, played with, with the others.

Jeff Battersby (7m 13s)
And so we'll, we'll, we'll start with what I've done.

Jeff Battersby (7m 17s)
Um, and then, uh, I know that you won't touch any of the watchOS betas until, until it's a hundred percent certain that everything's good, but that is what I'm going to begin with, which is the watchOS betas.

watchOS

Jeff Battersby (7m 32s)
Um, again, I, uh, I, when it comes to, uh,

Jeff Battersby (7m 38s)
the watch, I'm still, like I said, a couple of weeks ago, still a little bit on the fence.

Jeff Battersby (7m 43s)
Um, you know, I, I like the watch, uh, and there are a couple of features that Apple has added to this that I have had the opportunity to test.

Jeff Battersby (7m 54s)
Um, and one of those is the, the trails feature.

Jeff Battersby (7m 58s)
So you have the ability to, to see what trails are, um, you know, what, where

Jeff Battersby (8m 3s)
local trails are and then be able to use those.

Jeff Battersby (8m 5s)
I went for a relatively long bike ride last week.

Jeff Battersby (8m 8s)
22 miles out and back and then paid for it for the next two days.

Jeff Battersby (8m 13s)
Um, but one of the things that I will say, I had been using all trails and actually used all trails on the way out on that trip.

Jeff Battersby (8m 21s)
Um, and then used Apple maps in that feature on the way back on that trip.

Jeff Battersby (8m 27s)
And one of the things that drives me very nuts, um, about all trails is it,

Jeff Battersby (8m 34s)
particularly on the watch, it loses where that.

Jeff Battersby (8m 38s)
heck you are. It has no idea. Um, you know, I've had it at me going completely west when I've been traveling east. And I think it's because the GPS whatever it's doing is not working correctly. That feature works great on the Apple Watch. The trails feature had me right on the trail the entire time it was a rail trail. So you know, not too difficult. There was a main there was a main road that it ran parallel to for a little bit. And the

Jeff Battersby (9m 8s)
the all trails app had me on that road and asked me if I was taking a detour. And Apple Maps on the watch had me right where I was, which was really great. So that's a nice feature have not played with that other than using using that there. So, you know, we'll, we'll see how it plays as I began doing hiking with it, which I will be doing coming shortly. And, and that should be pretty good. The other thing that I really am

Jeff Battersby (9m 38s)
and it's kind of interesting, the way that works is the new stacks feature stacks. What happens is, you know, you have your normal watch face, but I find that when notifications come up, or there's something different, say, you know, we both use carrot weather app, when carrot weather, it's telling you that there's going to be rain, or whatever it is, it's going to be lightning, torture and death, the end of the world. That's typically what carrot likes to tell you.

Jeff Battersby (10m 8s)
The world is coming to an end. Or to say filthy things to you, which is one of the things I love about it. Well, I'm not gonna say what it says. You can download the carrot weather app on your own and see what it is. It's pretty fun. But in a what it will do is it will pop up the stack, it still keeps the time on there. And you know, you can customize that I haven't customized it very much, but it will display what the most current item is.

Tom Anderson (10m 17s)
Well, here we go.

Jeff Battersby (10m 38s)
And you can scroll through that to see, you know, where it is, or what it is, whatever else is in that particular stack, but I'm, I'm liking that feature pretty much.

Jeff Battersby (10m 49s)
So a lot of new features as it relates to things that I do now on the Apple Watch, particularly that maps thing, which I, which I really, which I really like, and I'm looking forward to

Jeff Battersby (11m 4s)
haven't had the opportunity to look at or use some of the, uh,

Jeff Battersby (11m 8s)
the other things like, you know, the enhanced ticketing feature,

Jeff Battersby (11m 11s)
that's supposed to be able, uh, you're supposed to be able to use.

Jeff Battersby (11m 13s)
And since most people don't, um, don't have, uh,

Jeff Battersby (11m 19s)
the beta's on, I can't use things like tap to cash.

Jeff Battersby (11m 22s)
Is there anything in particular you're looking forward to?

Jeff Battersby (11m 24s)
I think trading load was one of them, right? In watchOS.

Tom Anderson (11m 28s)
Yeah, so I was just looking at the preview site, and so they've done some improvements,

Tom Anderson (11m 33s)
I think, on the activity ring, so you can pause the rings, take an off day if you want to.

Tom Anderson (11m 38s)
I know some people complain about that, and you can have different goals for each day of the week.

Tom Anderson (11m 44s)
But the vitals stuff, which your overnight health data in one convenient place, which,

Tom Anderson (11m 51s)
you know, we've talked about this on previous episodes where all of that data is in the health app and we've kind of.

Tom Anderson (11m 58s)
Hope that as things continued, Apple would, uh, bring some of that data to the forefront in useful ways.

Tom Anderson (12m 4s)
And I think they've done that with this.

Tom Anderson (12m 6s)
And I've been using the athletic app for a while for, for this type of stuff.

Tom Anderson (12m 10s)
And there are some other ones too.

Tom Anderson (12m 12s)
Um, and then they've got training load, which will, you know, kind of monitor your recovery and everything, which athletic does as well too.

Tom Anderson (12m 19s)
But, uh, have you looked at any of those yet?

Jeff Battersby (12m 21s)
I haven't had a chance to do that. I do wear the watch to bed. So that's a you know, that's a big deal

Tom Anderson (12m 21s)
I don't know how heavily you're into that.

Jeff Battersby (12m 26s)
and I

Jeff Battersby (12m 29s)
Haven't looked at that so I'll have to take a look at that and see see what it offers and what it says and obviously that stuff is gonna Translate to the health app on the phone as well, which you know, I do often check my sleep So, you know, it's gonna pass that information on so so far so good I will say for anybody wanting to consider betas we're in the second round of the public betas

Jeff Battersby (12m 51s)
Released all of them over the last couple of days and

Jeff Battersby (12m 56s)
They've been solid there are a couple things, you know that are buggy that you expect to be buggy for example

Jeff Battersby (13m 2s)
sending SMS messages to people

iOS 

Jeff Battersby (13m 6s)
is I Find that if I'm sending any kind of attachment

Jeff Battersby (13m 11s)
Like, you know a link to music or or you know a web page I usually have to send it twice to anybody that's not on a

Jeff Battersby (13m 21s)
On an Apple phone

Jeff Battersby (13m 24s)
So, you know annoying but you know, it's beta territory It's not not anything to complain about and a couple of other little quirky bugs, but they're solid. These betas are are

Jeff Battersby (13m 37s)
If you're interested I say hop right on

Jeff Battersby (13m 40s)
Even for watch OS even though Tom's never gonna do that because he doesn't want to alert loses four thousand five hundred and fifty years of

Jeff Battersby (13m 49s)
history.

Tom Anderson (13m 51s)
True that.

Jeff Battersby (13m 52s)
So that's the no, no, that's you baby.

Tom Anderson (13m 55s)
Hey, I'm not gonna lie.

Tom Anderson (13m 58s)
Yep.

Tom Anderson (14m)
What was I gonna, you were talking about something there.

Jeff Battersby (14m 2s)
I was talking about something. Yes. Yeah.

Tom Anderson (14m 2s)
Oh, with the SMS messages.

Tom Anderson (14m 4s)
Is the RCS, is that something you have to turn on in messages, or is it on by default?

Jeff Battersby (14m 7s)
I, you know, I haven't even seen it work. I'll have to have a look at that. Again, I've only been on these betas for

Jeff Battersby (14m 16s)
the better part of this past week.

Tom Anderson (14m 20s)
Okay.

Jeff Battersby (14m 21s)
So, you know, I'm not, and I haven't, yeah, and I haven't, you know, you put a beta on every device, it makes it much more difficult to, you know, to test every single thing. And I haven't even told you this morning, although I've done it since I told you this morning, that on iPadOS, I had not done any of the math, you know, the handwritten math stuff in the notes app, I hadn't used any of the calculator features. And so that's a, that's a, you know, a thing that I did play

Jeff Battersby (14m 51s)
this morning. It works pretty well. We'll see. My handwriting sucks. So it didn't, it wasn't always perfect. Like I would write a, to the power of two after a parenthesis. And when I did to the power of two, it thought I was doing another parenthesis on the end. So it didn't, didn't do the math. So.

Tom Anderson (15m 7s)
And is the handwriting improvement, is that in the current betas or is that part of Apple intelligence?

Jeff Battersby (15m 15s)
Think that's coming because I know it's I saw it on on my

Tom Anderson (15m 15s)
Do you know?

Tom Anderson (15m 17s)
Okay.

Tom Anderson (15m 17s)
I can't remember a word.

Jeff Battersby (15m 20s)
Phone that I could do that. By the way the u.s. Wins

Jeff Battersby (15m 26s)
one nothing off a

Jeff Battersby (15m 30s)
Rodman goal so on to the semis for the for the u.s. Women's team

Jeff Battersby (15m 36s)
Although of the of the two people in this podcast on the I'm the only one who cares.

Tom Anderson (15m 42s)
USA. Go. Let's go. Yeah, let's go.

Jeff Battersby (15m 45s)  
• Yeah, USA, right, okay.

Jeff Battersby (15m 47s)
Anyway, sorry, that was a small divergence.

Jeff Battersby (15m 51s)
I can now get rid of this and be done.

Jeff Battersby (15m 55s)
And whack the microphone at the same time.

Jeff Battersby (15m 57s)
So yeah, on to iOS, I love the dark icons.

Jeff Battersby (16m 3s)
I'm gonna say that right out of the box.

Jeff Battersby (16m 4s)
I haven't done a lot of rearranging yet 'cause I have a pretty well curated home screen right now.

Jeff Battersby (16m 10s)
It's exactly the way that I like it.

Jeff Battersby (16m 13s)
So I may play around with it a little bit.

Jeff Battersby (16m 15s)
But the dark icons, you know, I'm a dark mode guy.

Jeff Battersby (16m 19s)
I know you're a light mode guy,

Jeff Battersby (16m 20s)
but the dark icons are really, really good.

Jeff Battersby (16m 23s)
I'm gonna be interested to see once you throw that on your phone

Jeff Battersby (16m 27s)
how you feel about the flatter icons.

Jeff Battersby (16m 33s)
It is a flatter look, you know,

Jeff Battersby (16m 34s)
because it can be solid colors.

Jeff Battersby (16m 36s)
If I look at it right now on the iPad that's next to me,

Jeff Battersby (16m 39s)
you know, they're, because of the dark background,

Jeff Battersby (16m 45s)
but I love it, you know,

Jeff Battersby (16m 48s)
I'm wearing a black t-shirt right now as we speak.

Jeff Battersby (16m 53s)
So yeah, yeah, your shirt looks just like me.

Tom Anderson (16m 53s)
Hey, me too.

Tom Anderson (16m 54s)
Maybe I'm a dark mode guy and don't know it yet.

Jeff Battersby (16m 58s)
your shirt looks just like.

Tom Anderson (16m 58s)
No, but I have seen a lot of screenshots and things people have been putting on threads and no, it looks good.

Tom Anderson (17m 4s)
Like you mentioned, I typically just go with the light mode but I do think with the icon tinting and everything,

Tom Anderson (17m 11s)
I think it looks really nice.

Jeff Battersby (17m 12s)
Yeah, no, it's a it's a good look the default look for me is pretty great

Tom Anderson (17m 14s)
Now, some of those color combinations,

Tom Anderson (17m 15s)
like where you can choose the color and it'll change the icon color.

Tom Anderson (17m 18s)
Like you can have like that kind of whole yellow theme.

Tom Anderson (17m 22s)
I've seen some people playing with those to make them as ugly as they can and then they post it and they are pretty ugly but but you certainly can make a nice, nice looking home screen with that so yeah I'm looking forward to seeing it.

Jeff Battersby (17m 30s)
Yeah. Yeah, I think I saw one the other day that had, um, I think the, their home screen picture was some kind of a Rory Aurora Borealis, uh, that was kind of purple in tone. And, uh, they had the middle of it in the middle of their screen. They had the icons wrapped all the way around it. The middle of their screen was the picture of the Aurora Borealis. And then all the icons around

Jeff Battersby (18m)
that was pretty much the same color as the, uh, as what was in the Aurora Borealis. It was gorgeous.

Tom Anderson (18m 2s)
Right

Tom Anderson (18m 5s)
Yeah, and that's nice because the system will do some of that automatically which will yeah so you should be able if you yeah that that'll be fun because we geeked out for months on the

Jeff Battersby (18m 5s)
Like a really, really good look. Yeah.

Tom Anderson (18m 15s)
Photo lock screen remember that one with the we were just kind of surfaces your photo library So I'm looking forward to us sending each other a bunch of home screen shots again [laughs]

Jeff Battersby (18m 17s)
Oh, my gosh. Yeah. Yes. Yeah, same, same. And one thing about that, so we'll jump right to it. But one thing about the home screen. So one of the smart features that's built into it now is the, the, if you go in the photos app, which some people don't love, I kind of do, it will make suggestions for home and lock screen photos. And what it's pulling out is

Jeff Battersby (18m 47s)
pretty amazing. I have a picture now, I'm not doing the rotation at this moment in time. I've got a picture that the photos app selected of one of the Forks of the Stanislaus River in Kennedy Meadows at dusk, and it looks flipping

Jeff Battersby (19m 7s)
awesome. And it's kind of just rolled in there perfectly a really, really nice look. And that was one of the ones that selected. There's also one of one of my daughters.

Jeff Battersby (19m 17s)
I haven't used it, but when she was in college,

Jeff Battersby (19m 20s)
it was kind of this picture when we're dropping her off at the dorm of her kind of curled over sideways with a big smile on her face.

Jeff Battersby (19m 27s)
And it's funny cause it kind of curls off the screen and on the screen and then there's stuff on the right-hand side. It really looks good too. So there's,

Jeff Battersby (19m 34s)
there's some, you know,

Jeff Battersby (19m 38s)
the pictures just like what we had with those slideshows, you know,

Jeff Battersby (19m 42s)
the ones where the lock screen would change every time you looked at it or what

Jeff Battersby (19m 47s)
you put on. The way it looked was, was really great. This is the same.

Tom Anderson (19m 52s)  
• Nice.

Jeff Battersby (19m 53s)
So I do, I do like it a lot.

Tom Anderson (19m 53s)  
• Yeah, looking forward to that.

Jeff Battersby (19m 57s)
Since we're talking about photos and you know, the,

Jeff Battersby (19m 59s)
the servicing and that kind of stuff the photos app is great.

Jeff Battersby (20m 3s)
The way the editing system is working now is a little different just the way it's arranged. So it took me a couple of seconds to, you know,

Jeff Battersby (20m 11s)
I'd go to tap where I expected to be able to edit a photo. I was like, Oh,

Jeff Battersby (20m 14s)
Oh, wait a second, that's not two now, what is it now?

Jeff Battersby (20m 17s)
So you, a couple of changes that way,

Jeff Battersby (20m 21s)
but I like the way it is.

Jeff Battersby (20m 24s)
I haven't, I'm still using Halide mostly for pictures that I really wanna take because the autofocus stuff,

Jeff Battersby (20m 32s)
for example, I was taking a picture of a spider close up the other day.

Jeff Battersby (20m 36s)
And the iPhone like wanted to bounce between macro and not macro, macro, not macro.

Jeff Battersby (20m 42s)
And it, oh my gosh, it's insane.

Tom Anderson (20m 43s)
it drives me nuts. It's like me overthinking life choices. It's like, it's like, wow,

Jeff Battersby (20m 47s)
I just let you say macro.

Jeff Battersby (20m 50s)
Well, right, right.

Jeff Battersby (20m 51s)
It's too much like my brain.

Tom Anderson (20m 54s)
I don't need that in my camera.

Jeff Battersby (20m 54s)
Yeah, no, exactly right.

Jeff Battersby (20m 57s)
But the way that you can edit the photos,

Jeff Battersby (21m 2s)
you know, it works pretty well.

Jeff Battersby (21m 5s)
So I, so far so good for me on the Photos app.

Jeff Battersby (21m 9s)
I really like it.

Jeff Battersby (21m 11s)
Again, I typically just use it to send pictures to people and, you know, do a fast edit.

Jeff Battersby (21m 17s)
So there's two steps if I do a black and white photo.

Jeff Battersby (21m 22s)
And the first step is to, you know,

Jeff Battersby (21m 24s)
use the built-in black and white that's on the app.

Jeff Battersby (21m 28s)
And then I open it up in Pixelmator,

Jeff Battersby (21m 31s)
which I don't even know if they're gonna support that anymore.

Jeff Battersby (21m 36s)
But you could open it up in Pixelmator and then it had another couple of settings in black and white that I can make changes to that typically made it really, yeah, the extension worked.

Tom Anderson (21m 42s)
Right, with the extension there.

Jeff Battersby (21m 47s)
You know, it's working fine for me.

Jeff Battersby (21m 50s)
I'm liking that.

Tom Anderson (21m 50s)
right

Jeff Battersby (21m 51s)
And that's one of the things that I have used a little bit.

Tom Anderson (21m 53s)
So something I'm looking forward to for photos when Apple intelligence comes out is

Tom Anderson (21m 58s)
The feature they showed where you can go into photos and just type

Tom Anderson (22m 3s)
What you want the memory to be or the collection or whatever that whatever they're calling it

Jeff Battersby (22m 5s)
yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyeah

Tom Anderson (22m 9s)
And Mac rumors had a nice video walkthrough is about four minutes of the Apple intelligence stuff Which we'll talk about a bit more in a few minutes But we'll have the link to the video in the show notes But it looked pretty good, like I think the thing he did was.

Tom Anderson (22m 20s)
It was my kids at Disney World or something and it was good.

Jeff Battersby (22m 22s)
Yeah, yeah

Tom Anderson (22m 24s)
So I'm looking forward to seeing that when it comes out.

Jeff Battersby (22m 26s)
Yeah, it's that that looks really good I watched the video after you said it to me it was it's slick It you know, and what Apple is doing with you know, AI that now is on every frigging platform on the planet you can't watch not that I watch that money, but you can't watch an ad on the

Jeff Battersby (22m 44s)
TV without

Jeff Battersby (22m 50s)
But what Apple is doing with this

Tom Anderson (22m 51s)
You showed amazing constraint there, yeah, you really wanted to let it loose.

Jeff Battersby (22m 52s)
I know it's the latest buzzword

Jeff Battersby (22m 57s)
Did I

Tom Anderson (23m 1s)
I could tell I'm proud of you.

Jeff Battersby (23m 3s)
Angry Jeff making an appearance

Jeff Battersby (23m 7s)
Old man yelling at cloud Jeff

Tom Anderson (23m 7s)
Um, you had, yeah, so you have new control center on the list.

Tom Anderson (23m 12s)
Have you done much with that?

Jeff Battersby (23m 13s)
Yeah, I have actually it is and I

Tom Anderson (23m 13s)
There's a lot more customizable and everything now.

Jeff Battersby (23m 18s)
Have I spent some time rearranging and there's more stuff that I can do with it

Jeff Battersby (23m 22s)
I I haven't even seen I've got it open right now on the iPad and what's nice is you can resize these things in

Jeff Battersby (23m 30s)
such a way that they

Jeff Battersby (23m 32s)
They look like I can widen something if I want to

Jeff Battersby (23m 37s)
See what it does So for example, if I wanted the music app to be wider in control center I could do that so it goes instead of you know, the square that it normally is by default you can make it so it

Jeff Battersby (23m 47s)
The width of it it goes wider and it's wider and thinner

Jeff Battersby (23m 53s)
You can add a number of controls and there are a ton of controls one of the other things kind of cool about it is

Jeff Battersby (24m)
You know the old control center you just slid it down and you had whatever you put in the list here It's now broken into five different sections. There's a favorite section

Jeff Battersby (24m 8s)
There's a music section which interestingly enough kind of looks like you're uh, it kind of looks like an iPhone

Jeff Battersby (24m 15s)
You know, like if you had the music heck up on the iPhone, so that's kind of a funny look

Jeff Battersby (24m 21s)
Then you've got a

Jeff Battersby (24m 23s)
Underneath that the same thing. It's basically a home section

Jeff Battersby (24m 28s)
That you've got set up. So if you have any, you know intelligent stuff or semi intelligent stuff like your

Jeff Battersby (24m 34s)
home pot

Tom Anderson (24m 36s)
[laughs] Wow.

Jeff Battersby (24m 39s)
Yeah, I know I'm gonna snarky snarky and then it's got a

Jeff Battersby (24m 43s)
Section for you know, all your connections

Jeff Battersby (24m 46s)
Like Wi-Fi Bluetooth in those kinds of things. So the way that it works is I'm really I'm really

Tom Anderson (24m 49s)
And they're going to open that up to third-party.

Jeff Battersby (24m 53s)
You can

Tom Anderson (24m 58s)
I think there's APIs for all that, so I think third-party apps can add to it.

Jeff Battersby (25m 1s)
Yes, exactly correct, so we'll see what we'll see what shows up there in the future

Jeff Battersby (25m 6s)
But so far, I really I really like it and you can add as many controls as you want And we tap the add a control button

Jeff Battersby (25m 15s)
You can search for the controls. So it's got the ability you can search by app It shows you the the normal defaults, you know, what it is that you might

Jeff Battersby (25m 22s)
have. For some reason, it removed the camera from my from my iPhone. So I had to add the camera back, you know, I had the camera there. That's often a way that I that I fire up the camera. If if I'm using Apple's camera, Halide, I have it hooked up to the, you know, the the button on my phone that's still out of reach. Yes. Yes, you can. I haven't done anything.

Tom Anderson (25m 45s)
Okay, and speaking of buttons you can customize the buttons on the lock screen now, right?

Tom Anderson (25m 51s)
Okay, okay

Jeff Battersby (25m 52s)
to that. But yes, you can, you can make changes, you can make those be whatever you want them to be. So, which is pretty, pretty slick. So, you know, it's, it's got a whole list of things, you've got the ability to see, see those items and add them. And there are applications that doesn't look like I have any that are

Tom Anderson (25m 57s)
Okay

Tom Anderson (26m)
All right

Jeff Battersby (26m 12s)
that are showing up yet, but applications will have the ability to or give you the ability to make changes to, to that, which I use a control center all all the time, you know?

Jeff Battersby (26m 23s)
on the iPad, on the, uh, on the phone.

Jeff Battersby (26m 25s)
So the ability to kind of customize that and the more I play with it, the more I'll probably tweak it, um, really like, and this, by the way, it's almost one for one, the same, um, from iOS to iPad iOS.

Jeff Battersby (26m 42s)
So we don't need to say a lot about iPad iOS.

Jeff Battersby (26m 45s)
In fact, I was looking at my iPad, not my phone when I was, you know, just playing with this a couple of seconds ago.

Jeff Battersby (26m 50s)
So these features are.

Jeff Battersby (26m 53s)
Are on both for for the control center on both the iPad and on your iPhone, so pretty pretty good

Jeff Battersby (27m 2s)
Don't have a lot more to say in that regard

Tom Anderson (27m 5s)
Okay, so I'm curious about the last one on the list was flashlight

Jeff Battersby (27m 6s)
So it's it's

Jeff Battersby (27m 11s)
Dude that's so much fun. It's lame

Tom Anderson (27m 14s)
So I wanted to see what you were thinking on that I think I know but I want to hear

Jeff Battersby (27m 18s)
Well, so that the flashlight feature, you know, the flashlight was typically on or off

Jeff Battersby (27m 22s)
not. Now in the if you haven't seen video this anywhere, you should check it out. What Apple has done. And these are just the stupid simple things that Apple does sometimes that bring

Jeff Battersby (27m 36s)
absolute joy for some stupid little thing. But you've got the ability to control the dimness and get puts a little when you when you tap the flashlight. What it does is it puts the it puts a picture of an actual old school

Jeff Battersby (27m 52s)
flashlight. And you can change how broad the the light beam is

Jeff Battersby (27m 57s)
by dragging across the top, there's like a little arc. And so you can drag that arc up or down and it makes it so it, you know, gets really directed or really wide. And then you've got the ability to control the, you know, the brightness or dimness of it. It's, it's stupid, but it's so much fun.

Tom Anderson (28m 13s)
It's a really nice interface, like the UI piece of it is really nice.

Tom Anderson (28m 17s)
It's it's, you know, every now and then we talk about this with, with Apple, Apple and their whimsical stuff.

Tom Anderson (28m 24s)
And sometimes we criticize them that there's not enough of it because we see these little pieces like, you know, some of the stuff with the live activities, like how it would go up into the digital, what do they call that thing at the top, digital island, whatever I think it's like, yeah, I can't remember dynamic.

Jeff Battersby (28m 38s)
The island, yeah, the digital island, whatever, some D word, right?

Tom Anderson (28m 43s)
That's what it is.

Tom Anderson (28m 44s)
It shows you how much we talk about it, but yeah, that's all the videos.

Tom Anderson (28m 49s)
Yeah, that's fun.

Tom Anderson (28m 50s)
I mean, it's a little thing like you said, and you're not going to sit and look at it every day, but it's just a nice little touch.

Jeff Battersby (28m 51s)
It is.

Jeff Battersby (28m 55s)
No, but to use it brings you a little bit of joy.

Jeff Battersby (28m 57s)
And I think that's the, that's kind of the key there.

Tom Anderson (28m 58s)
That's how desperate we are for joy these days.

Jeff Battersby (29m)
Um, is that, yeah, well, yes, not, not wrong, my friend.

Tom Anderson (29m 2s)
Can we get a little joy, please?

Jeff Battersby (29m 9s)
Not wrong.

Jeff Battersby (29m 10s)
Um, yeah.

Jeff Battersby (29m 11s)
And I'm looking to see, I'm trying that on the iPad and I'm trying to see whether or not it gives you that kind of control on the iPad and it does not appear that it does, it's just an iPhone thing.

Jeff Battersby (29m 23s)
That's weird.

Jeff Battersby (29m 24s)
That's disappointing is what that is.

Jeff Battersby (29m 27s)
Um, but yeah, it's, uh, it's a cute little feature on the phone.

Jeff Battersby (29m 31s)
I like it.

Jeff Battersby (29m 33s)
Um, so yeah, flashlight.

Tom Anderson (29m 34s)
Alright sounds good

Jeff Battersby (29m 35s)
Woohoo!

Tom Anderson (29m 36s)
Alright, so we're probably let's see six or seven weeks away before those things are released. I would think

Tom Anderson (29m 44s)
usually third week September or first of October, so

Jeff Battersby (29m 44s)
Yes. Yes, somewhere in that vicinity, but they're pretty tight right now. Yeah. And so far. Mac OS iPhone mirroring.

Tom Anderson (29m 48s)
Not too far

Tom Anderson (29m 51s)
All right, so the last one is Mac OS and that's the one that we both have You Bye bye.

macOS

Jeff Battersby (29m 58s)
Dude. So good. It's so good. The only thing I wish it did you have to be in Bluetooth proximity to it to be able to make it work. So I'd love if I could leave it on my desk and just bring it up if I needed to bring it up.

Tom Anderson (30m 14s)
like around the house or out on the deck or whatever.

Jeff Battersby (30m 14s)
But yeah, you know, so because I'm most often working on my Mac and then

Tom Anderson (30m 16s)
Back porch, yeah.

Tom Anderson (30m 22s)
And they added resizing to the, I guess, the last beta,

Tom Anderson (30m 24s)
maybe, where you can make the iPhone,

Tom Anderson (30m 29s)
as it's represented on the Mac, you can resize it so it's a little bigger. Yeah.

Jeff Battersby (30m 32s)
Yeah, I haven't played with that, actually. That's interesting.

Jeff Battersby (30m 34s)
Um, and there, yeah, there are, there are a couple of nice features.

Jeff Battersby (30m 39s)
So one of the things that does is, you know, when you, um, if you're

Jeff Battersby (30m 45s)
using a phone that uses face ID, not touch ID, which I don't know,

Jeff Battersby (30m 49s)
there aren't any touch ID phones left.

Jeff Battersby (30m 50s)
I think there is one, maybe.

Tom Anderson (30m 51s)
I think the SE maybe

Jeff Battersby (30m 53s)
Yeah.

Jeff Battersby (30m 54s)
Anyway, um, if you slide up from the bottom, you know, how you can scroll through the open programs in the app on your phone, you know, in.

Jeff Battersby (31m 2s)
The screen mirroring app on your phone.

Jeff Battersby (31m 5s)
If you hang your mouse near the top of it, you get two options.

Jeff Battersby (31m 8s)
And one of them is that slide over.

Jeff Battersby (31m 10s)
So it will bring up your list of apps and you can slide through the apps on the screen, really slick that way.

Jeff Battersby (31m 16s)
Um, it would make phone calls on my Mac.

Jeff Battersby (31m 19s)
If I had that feature turned on.

Jeff Battersby (31m 21s)
I do not because I don't like my computer ringing or my iPad ringing.

Tom Anderson (31m 22s)
I don't like my phone ringing as much as anything else so, yep.

Jeff Battersby (31m 26s)
Um, well, there's something to be said for that.

Jeff Battersby (31m 30s)
Yeah.

Jeff Battersby (31m 31s)
There's-- there--

Jeff Battersby (31m 32s)
There's a lot of reality in what you're telling me there.

Tom Anderson (31m 35s)
Potential spam.

Tom Anderson (31m 36s)
Oh yeah, thanks.

Tom Anderson (31m 37s)
Appreciate the check-in, potential spam.

Jeff Battersby (31m 40s)
But a couple of the other nice features--

Jeff Battersby (31m 41s)
I do have, you know, a couple of notifications turned on.

Jeff Battersby (31m 46s)
And if you're using that feature,

Jeff Battersby (31m 48s)
it mirrors those notifications on your phone, on your Mac.

Jeff Battersby (31m 51s)
So what's nice about it is I can quickly see what's going on, whether or not, you know,

Jeff Battersby (31m 57s)
I'm getting a FaceTime call from somebody or, you know,

Jeff Battersby (32m)
whatever it is that that I.

Jeff Battersby (32m 2s)
Need to attend to on my phone without actually having to pick up my phone to see it.

Tom Anderson (32m 7s)
And you get the Journal app on your Mac.

Jeff Battersby (32m 7s)
Um, so really, really nice feature.

Jeff Battersby (32m 10s)
It's tight.

Jeff Battersby (32m 11s)
Works well.

Jeff Battersby (32m 12s)
Um,

Jeff Battersby (32m 17s)
I haven't tried it, Tom.

Jeff Battersby (32m 18s)
Sorry.

Jeff Battersby (32m 18s)
I'm a bad student of class.

Tom Anderson (32m 20s)
Bad, bad journaler, okay?

Jeff Battersby (32m 20s)
I should have.

Jeff Battersby (32m 22s)
Well, I write every day.

Tom Anderson (32m 24s)
Which, just to be clear for anybody listening, the journal app is not on the Mac.

Tom Anderson (32m 28s)
You can use it on your phone on the Mac through the iPhone mirroring.

Jeff Battersby (32m 28s)
No, it's not.

Tom Anderson (32m 32s)
Which, if you don't like typing on your phone a lot, that could be an easier way to do your

Jeff Battersby (32m 32s)
Should test that.

Tom Anderson (32m 37s)
journal stuff at the end of the day.

Jeff Battersby (32m 37s)
And I think that's been the real complaint about, um, about that.

Jeff Battersby (32m 42s)
In a couple of weeks, we've got scheduled, um, a journaling guy.

Jeff Battersby (32m 47s)
You know, we're going to be talking about that.

Tom Anderson (32m 48s)
We do. Yep. So we'll probably dig into that a little. I mean, it's not going to be the focus,

Jeff Battersby (32m 51s)
Yeah, we will.

Jeff Battersby (32m 52s)
Um, I no, no, but it, you know,

Tom Anderson (32m 54s)
but well, journaling will be probably, but not, we're not going to rail on the journal app for

Jeff Battersby (33m)
no, no, no, no.

Tom Anderson (33m)
45 minutes. We could. Right. You should use the dictation.

Jeff Battersby (33m 1s)
I, but it, that is.

Jeff Battersby (33m 2s)
For me, a problem is doing it on the phone all the time.

Jeff Battersby (33m 8s)
Yeah, maybe, I don't know.

Tom Anderson (33m 9s)
Yeah. Do you, do you use dictation much? I don't either. It's weird. I wonder,

Jeff Battersby (33m 10s)
I don't like talking to a journal either.

Jeff Battersby (33m 13s)
I don't.

Jeff Battersby (33m 15s)
Yeah.

Jeff Battersby (33m 15s)
I, I use voice memos of Tom.

Tom Anderson (33m 16s)
I don't know why I don't.

Tom Anderson (33m 18s)
I just don't think about it.

Jeff Battersby (33m 20s)
Yeah, I, I don't, I don't use.

Tom Anderson (33m 22s)
The voice memos will get better for you to, if you wanted to do that, because they'll get the transcripts, right?

Jeff Battersby (33m 25s)
Yeah, because it will transcribe it.

Jeff Battersby (33m 27s)
Right.

Jeff Battersby (33m 28s)
Yeah.

Tom Anderson (33m 28s)
Yeah.

Jeff Battersby (33m 29s)
So, um, that'll be, that'll be a nice feature.

Tom Anderson (33m 31s)
Which at that point you could just hit the dictation button in the journal app.

Jeff Battersby (33m 33s)
Um, yeah, the journal app for me is not a, I mean, I've used it a couple of times just to play with it and see how it is, but it's not a, not a thing, but I should give it a go.

Tom Anderson (33m 34s)
But anyhow.

Jeff Battersby (33m 41s)
I should have, if I'd have been a better, a better podcast partner, I would have tried that out using, uh, you know, using the, uh, iPhone mirroring.

Jeff Battersby (33m 50s)
So somewhere along the line, we'll do something about that, but.

Tom Anderson (33m 51s)
Well, we'll talk about it. We've got plenty of time. We'll talk about it in September maybe.

Jeff Battersby (33m 56s)
Yeah, that sounds good.

Jeff Battersby (33m 58s)
Yeah, that sounds good.

Tom Anderson (34m 1s)
Okay. Yes, sir.

Jeff Battersby (34m 3s)
Now you're on, by the way, I should, this is one beta that you are running is the, uh, is the, yeah. So, um.

Tom Anderson (34m 9s)
Correct

Tom Anderson (34m 12s)
Yeah, I think I installed it Tuesday of this week and this is Saturday so I've only had it in a few days yeah

Jeff Battersby (34m 19s)
Okay, yeah. So, occasionally use Magnet, but yeah, I was using it because you said it was pretty decent. The new tiling feature I really like in macOS, I quit using Magnet,

Jeff Battersby (34m 37s)
sorry guys, and started using the tiling feature. It's pretty fixed as far as I can tell,

Jeff Battersby (34m 46s)
So it's not entirely as customized.

Jeff Battersby (34m 49s)
as I'd like it to be.

Jeff Battersby (34m 52s)
But it's super simple.

Jeff Battersby (34m 53s)
You drag something over the corner of the screen.

Jeff Battersby (34m 55s)
It tiles it.

Jeff Battersby (34m 56s)
Or the usual, you know, the little green button that you would use to do full screen or split screen,

Jeff Battersby (35m 2s)
now that offers you several options if you click that.

Jeff Battersby (35m 6s)
So you can tile it accordingly.

Jeff Battersby (35m 9s)
But I really like it.

Jeff Battersby (35m 10s)
It's a nice, easy way to tile stuff without going completely to full screen.

Jeff Battersby (35m 16s)
That's a really nice, really nice feature.

Tom Anderson (35m 19s)
Yeah, it looks pretty good.

Tom Anderson (35m 21s)
I turned off magnet this week just to test this out.

Tom Anderson (35m 25s)
And the thing is, even with magnet, I don't tile the windows a lot.

Jeff Battersby (35m 30s)
Mm-hmm.

Tom Anderson (35m 30s)
Typically, if it's just I'm working on

Tom Anderson (35m 34s)
on my laptop screen and not an external, but but looking.

Jeff Battersby (35m 36s)
Mm-hmm.

Tom Anderson (35m 38s)
So I've got I still have magnet on my MacBook Pro because I haven't upgraded to the beta yet.

Tom Anderson (35m 42s)
And it looks like it's got 15 options in the drop-down menu of places you can put.

Tom Anderson (35m 49s)
windows. The tiling in Sequoia has 8, looks like 13. So pretty similar, you can do keyboard shortcuts for those too, for the one built into Mac OS. Now some of these window management apps, Magnet doesn't do it, but some of them do, and there are a bunch of these. There's magnet, rectangle, mosaic.

Jeff Battersby (35m 57s)
Yeah, yeah, which is nice.

Tom Anderson (36m 19s)
them do more than just the tiling like though you can set states. So if you've got like a preferred layout for your windows that you kind of work in, you can have the apps open. And when you hit the menu item or the keyboard shortcut, it can just lay them out in groups and different desktops and things like that. So this built in stuff doesn't do that. But I think for most people, that's not a big deal. So I think the third party apps, I think there's still a need for the people that want those.

Jeff Battersby (36m 37s)
No.

Tom Anderson (36m 47s)
Oh, man.

Tom Anderson (36m 49s)
And honestly, I don't know that many, I'll say non power users, if you want to call it that really bothered too much with the window stuff.

Tom Anderson (36m 56s)
Like I just see people run things in full screen and swipe back and forth.

Tom Anderson (36m 59s)
And if you support end users enough, you see that people work in all kinds of strange ways, but, but it works for them.

Jeff Battersby (37m 7s)
Pretty amazing.

Tom Anderson (37m 9s)
I mean, it's not, not a put down, but it's like, wow, I would have never have thought to do that.

Tom Anderson (37m 13s)
Um, and so I I'm surprised little side note at the number of people I see at work that are using.

Tom Anderson (37m 19s)
Stage manager on the Mac students.

Tom Anderson (37m 22s)
Yeah.

Tom Anderson (37m 23s)
Walk around, you know, it's like, oh, well come into the help desk.

Tom Anderson (37m 26s)
Wow.

Tom Anderson (37m 26s)
Stage manager.

Tom Anderson (37m 28s)
So they do.

Jeff Battersby (37m 28s)
I don't use that at all.

Tom Anderson (37m 29s)
Yeah.

Tom Anderson (37m 30s)
So it's, it's, it's funny that just, I think we get locked in on, you know, the way we do things, or if there's a particular click of a user type that we're part of in a community or something.

Tom Anderson (37m 41s)
And we forget that there's all of these other people out there that don't fall into that and have, you know, various ways they do things.

Tom Anderson (37m 47s)
But--

Tom Anderson (37m 49s)
Yeah.

Tom Anderson (37m 49s)
So talk to me about the Password app.

Tom Anderson (37m 51s)
I want to talk about that a little bit, too.

Jeff Battersby (37m 51s)  
• Oh, dude, love already.

Jeff Battersby (37m 55s)
So it's an app, you know, so it's not hidden anymore.

Jeff Battersby (38m)
It used to be you had to go to the key chain or in the last couple of versions of EOS,

Jeff Battersby (38m 5s)
you had to go to system settings to be able to find passwords.

Jeff Battersby (38m 13s)
Now it's a standalone app.

Jeff Battersby (38m 14s)
One of the best things about it is I had been holding onto one password

Jeff Battersby (38m 21s)
for a long time just because it had some old information in it like software licenses and things like that.

Jeff Battersby (38m 30s)
I was able to export all that one password information into a text file and import all that information into the passwords app, which was sweet.

Jeff Battersby (38m 41s)
So now I no longer have two places to have to go.

Jeff Battersby (38m 44s)
So I can completely discard one password,

Jeff Battersby (38m 48s)
which I'm happy about.

Jeff Battersby (38m 49s)
That's, yeah.

Jeff Battersby (38m 52s)
You know what?

Jeff Battersby (38m 52s)
I loved one password for a long time.

Jeff Battersby (38m 54s)
Um, but when they went to the subscription model, it's like, dude, again, like

Jeff Battersby (38m 59s)
everybody wants to take my money every year.

Jeff Battersby (39m 1s)
Um, so I, I, I'm really happy with the way the app works.

Jeff Battersby (39m 8s)
Um, it's kind of sweet in terms of the layout.

Jeff Battersby (39m 13s)
It's a simple app.

Tom Anderson (39m 15s)  
Yep. It's got basically five,

Jeff Battersby (39m 15s)
Um, and hold on, I'm unlocking it.

Jeff Battersby (39m 19s)
Welcome.

Jeff Battersby (39m 21s)
Yeah, so there's a deleted section, it synchronizes with iCloud.

Tom Anderson (39m 21s)
six if you count deleted sections.

Jeff Battersby (39m 29s)
So everything goes across everywhere.

Jeff Battersby (39m 31s)
You've got all, I need to now go through and clean this up because I probably have some duplicated items after I import it.

Jeff Battersby (39m 38s)
So I'll need to take care of that.

Jeff Battersby (39m 41s)
But it has information on your pass keys, codes.

Jeff Battersby (39m 44s)
For example, if you have software license.

Jeff Battersby (39m 51s)
Or things of that nature, you'll find those in there.

Jeff Battersby (39m 53s)
It has the security notifications,

Jeff Battersby (39m 55s)
the ability to share passwords with family members.

Jeff Battersby (39m 58s)
And to my understanding, that needs to be people that are in your family sharing plan.

Jeff Battersby (40m 7s)
You can't just share it to anybody.

Jeff Battersby (40m 9s)
But you have the ability to share passwords that way.

Jeff Battersby (40m 12s)
You've got the ability to create a set of trusted contacts,

Jeff Battersby (40m 18s)
which has always been around, but it's now more.

Jeff Battersby (40m 21s)
I shouldn't say always been around.

Jeff Battersby (40m 22s)
It's been around for a while.

Jeff Battersby (40m 24s)
Um, and it gives you the ability to, uh, to see who those trusted contacts are,

Jeff Battersby (40m 31s)
and then to choose what items you want to share.

Jeff Battersby (40m 33s)
So you don't need to share everything that's in your, uh, in your, in your passwords app, but I really, um, Oh, good God.

Tom Anderson (40m 41s)
How many Wi-Fi passwords do you have?

Tom Anderson (40m 43s)
There's a section there for Wi-Fi.

Jeff Battersby (40m 44s)
By the way, I clean that stuff up pretty regularly.

Jeff Battersby (40m 47s)
I 36 I currently have.

Tom Anderson (40m 48s)
OK, I got 28.

Jeff Battersby (40m 51s)
But I do go through and clean that stuff up.

Jeff Battersby (40m 53s)
Cause I, you know, go see clients for one time.

Jeff Battersby (40m 57s)
I could tell that was talking off Mike, looking at my iPad.

Jeff Battersby (41m)
So you can, you can hear my cheek talking.

Tom Anderson (41m)
Yeah, I never clean it up and I still only have 28 so I guess that's pretty good

Tom Anderson (41m 6s)
Yeah, but no this looks nice and I think

Tom Anderson (41m 8s)
just like with the window tiling feature if you're a you know one password or a last pass or a bit warden or something like that that Leans heavily into the power user stuff that those tools provide this probably won't be enough

Tom Anderson (41m 25s)
But for everybody else, it's gonna be really nice

Jeff Battersby (41m 28s)
Yeah, it's great for me. And I will say 1Password does have some big advantages when it comes to for one of the theater companies I work with. We had that set up. We had a corporate account set up that a bunch of people were a part of and everybody that needed to have access to specific passwords had access to it that way. And if somebody left the board,

Jeff Battersby (41m 52s)
we were able to remove them. So 1Password definitely has a place in the

Tom Anderson (41m 53s)
Yeah, and they've really made that push into business and enterprise and everything.

Jeff Battersby (41m 58s)
thing about 1Password. Yeah.

Tom Anderson (42m 1s)
And it's great for that.

Tom Anderson (42m 3s)
And I still like the app, I've been having some problem with the extension in Safari.

Tom Anderson (42m 10s)
It just will not recognize, and this is on my Mac mini, so I don't have touch ID on that.

Tom Anderson (42m 15s)
And so I just use the watch to authenticate when I need to unlock it.

Tom Anderson (42m 20s)
And it just, it's a bug in this version where it just will not work.

Tom Anderson (42m 23s)
not recognize that the watch option is there.

Tom Anderson (42m 26s)
It's on, I've reset it.

Tom Anderson (42m 28s)
Um, and so that's been frustrating.

Tom Anderson (42m 29s)
So I'm just waiting for an update, but also like something I just stumbled upon recently with it, and I don't know when they've added it, maybe they always had it and I just didn't know.

Tom Anderson (42m 37s)
But like the security questions that some sites still have you do, which are kind of goofy because they're not really all that secure, um, if you put the information in that they're actually asking, but what I'd been doing is

Jeff Battersby (42m 41s)
Uh-huh. Uh-uh.

Tom Anderson (42m 49s)
generating random passwords and putting that like into the note section.

Tom Anderson (42m 54s)
So like security question would be what city did you grow up in?

Tom Anderson (42m 57s)
And it would just be like a string of garbled text, right?

Tom Anderson (43m)
Just like a password, but there's actually a security question section.

Tom Anderson (43m 5s)
And I felt like an idiot when I found that it's like, well, what's the question?

Tom Anderson (43m 9s)
All right.

Tom Anderson (43m 9s)
You click the button and like, okay, here's the answer.

Tom Anderson (43m 11s)
And it's basically the same thing I was doing.

Tom Anderson (43m 13s)
So that's nice.

Tom Anderson (43m 14s)
That's not in the passwords app.

Tom Anderson (43m 15s)
It probably will never be in the passwords app.

Tom Anderson (43m 17s)
Of course, one password does secure notes twos and you can add, you You can throw your passport up there, your driver's license, all that kind of stuff.

Tom Anderson (43m 23s)
And the passwords app is not that of course you could do secure notes in the notes app if you wanted to lock them with face ID or something, so that's an option.

Tom Anderson (43m 32s)
All right, all right, so real quick just on the Apple intelligence stuff, as we mentioned, start a show their developer beta one of Apple intelligence is here if your device supports it.

Apple Intelligence 

Tom Anderson (43m 46s)
So that's the 15 pro at this point, Pro Max has writing tools, new Siri stuff is in there.

Tom Anderson (43m 53s)
Some mail stuff, smart replies for messages, the photos, things we talked about, we talked about transcription, some focus mode stuff.

Tom Anderson (44m 1s)
Again, we'll link out or just Google search the Mac rumors video, they did a nice little video for a couple of minutes and showed stuff and it all looked pretty good.

Tom Anderson (44m 9s)
So looking forward to trying that and once that comes out a bit later.

Jeff Battersby (44m 10s)
Yeah

Jeff Battersby (44m 16s)
Yeah, and I will say to a couple of our guests have

Jeff Battersby (44m 22s)
Already dug pretty deep into this at sleep pad if you remember

Jeff Battersby (44m 27s)
That from Riley from a couple weeks ago

Jeff Battersby (44m 31s)
both on his YouTube channel and and

Jeff Battersby (44m 34s)
If you follow one, you know

Jeff Battersby (44m 37s)
whatever you follow, people on threads, Twitter.

Jeff Battersby (44m 41s)
Any of those, any of those things, you'll find him, him there.

Jeff Battersby (44m 45s)
Uh, and then also from, uh, from, uh, last week, uh, Adam Jones or last episode,

Jeff Battersby (44m 52s)
I should say, Adam Jones has, uh, he, he had, he had already jumped into all that stuff, even when we interviewed him.

Tom Anderson (44m 53s)
Adam has to. Yep.

Jeff Battersby (44m 58s)
So he, his, uh, so yeah, his, his YouTube channel, uh, has that as well.

Tom Anderson (44m 58s)
He didn't. Yeah, he's been in it. That's good. He enjoys it.

Jeff Battersby (45m 5s)
So there are some people you can check in with, uh, who are not us who've probably gone way deeper.

Tom Anderson (45m 10s)
Yes.

Jeff Battersby (45m 10s)
Then us.

Jeff Battersby (45m 11s)
So we highly recommend you check them out.

Tom Anderson (45m 11s)
Yeah.

Tom Anderson (45m 12s)
Definitely do this.

Tom Anderson (45m 13s)
Jeff, take us home.

Close

Jeff Battersby (45m 15s)
All right.

Jeff Battersby (45m 16s)
So as usual, uh, feedback, basic AF show.com.

Jeff Battersby (45m 19s)
Uh, we also have basic AF show.com.

Jeff Battersby (45m 22s)
If you want to see any of the archives and, uh, you know, any of the information that's there, so we are fully, fully integrated into a new website that we like, we kind of, we're doing blog posts.

Jeff Battersby (45m 33s)
I don't know how much longer we're going to do that.

Jeff Battersby (45m 34s)
Cause they get like zero, nobody's looking at them.

Jeff Battersby (45m 38s)
Um, but I was doing some blog.

Jeff Battersby (45m 40s)
It was like, uh, maybe it's not worth it.

Jeff Battersby (45m 42s)
I'm not worth the effort.

Jeff Battersby (45m 44s)
Um, and, uh, so you can see that there.

Jeff Battersby (45m 46s)
And remember that if you, you can send us a direct message, either from the basic AF show website or directly in app, you can essentially send us a text message

Jeff Battersby (45m 57s)
and we will get it and we're happy to get that.

Jeff Battersby (46m)
Um, yeah, we did.

Tom Anderson (46m 1s)
We did. We just got one not too long ago. Like our first official one. So we're happy about that.

Jeff Battersby (46m 5s)
Yeah.

Tom Anderson (46m 5s)
So just discovered the show. Love it. So yeah.

Jeff Battersby (46m 5s)
Besides Tom and me sending messages back and forth to each other.

Jeff Battersby (46m 9s)
You're a dork.

Jeff Battersby (46m 10s)
No, you're a dork.

Jeff Battersby (46m 11s)
No, you're a dork.

Jeff Battersby (46m 12s)
Um, so, uh, yeah, you can, you can get us that way as a reminder, uh, show music, psycho kinetics, and, uh, again, thank you to Celsius seven for letting us hop on there and, uh, random Martin design for our, uh, our show art, um, which is still the best art on any podcast that I've seen.

Tom Anderson (46m 38s)
All right, that is it and as always we do thank you for being here. We appreciate it There are lots of choices for this type of content and we are honored that you'd spend a few minutes with us to do this so thank you so much and Until the next time hope you have a great rest of your day a great evening and we will talk to you then

Jeff Battersby (46m 56s)
See ya!

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